Scrapbook Two Hundred Forty Five…


December, 2019


Eric’s Funny Part

IMG 1239The name Eric Sloane should be synonymous with wood. He wrote a book titled A Reverence for Wood. In his preface…

“…one day we were flying over the New England country side. ‘Someday soon,’ I said, ‘I must do a book about trees and wood.’ Down below, the wooded hills were just turning to their autumn colors, and the shadow of our plane raced across a sea of crimson and russet.”

When he was building his home in Santa Fe, he had some boastfully-wonderful old weathered boards. They were being saved to build doors and kitchen cabinets. He loved their roughness. They were stored outside in the sun and rain where they could take on more of a color that he called “personality gray.”

But while he was back east for a short visit the carpenters nailed them up as joists. Eric’s recovery period was rather lengthy and I dutifully listened to the story more than a few times during our frequent lunches.

Eric never lived to know that my dedication in Seventeen Dollars a Square Inch (a personal tribute to Eric Sloane) was really a dedication to his memory, in a funny abstract way.

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When Eric learned I was collecting artists palettes, he lamented that he didn’t have one to give me. He had no use for one when he painted because he mixed his paints on a wooden board that was attached to his easel. “Never mind that,” he probably thought, “I’ll just saw off my mixing board and give that to Forrest.”

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And that’s what he did, but not before painting a covered bridge and nailing a favored old paintbrush on for added flavor.

Although I had palettes from many important artists, including Nicolai Fechin, none was more revered than Eric’s.

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I just measured the palette with my spread right hand, which is exactly 8 ¼ inches, little finger nail, to thumb nail. So the palette is 33 ½ inches wide. But just for fun I measured it with my ruler also. Yup, 33 ½ inches wide. I always like to be exact. f

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Jimmy Dolittle, Eric Sloane and Neil Armstrong








194 thoughts on “Scrapbook Two Hundred Forty Five…

  1. What a terrific mixed-media memento from Eric! But what does the “NA” stand for after Eric’s signature?

    • I was just thinking the same thing, Zap.

      Anyways, another great SB. Thanks f and Dal for posting.

    • Zap – Is that Forrest fly fishing in the river, in front of that covered bridge on Eric’s easel? Is that the bridge the two of them said they would build over a river one day?

      Did I get that story right, Forrest? I love when you write about Eric Sloane.

        • Strawshadow – Just found Dal’s post of Scrapbook #28:

          From Forrest’s “Seventeen Dollars A Square Inch” book:

          “Did you know that Eric Sloane and Forrest Fenn wanted to build a covered bridge but their wives wouldn’t let them buy a river?”

          Looks like that’s the book/story!

          • Thanks Lisa, I should have known, my humbled memory always deserves an “IMO” near the end.

    • Good eye, I could almost not make it out. At first, I thought you where talking about Neil Armstrong..but then I zoomed in to see the “NA” ????? Now available…not artwork???

    • Many of Eric’s paintings and sketches in “Eighty” are signed with the NA after his name.

  2. It means that he was elected to the National Academy of Design, a very prestigious organization. f

      • Another “Reference to” an Eric Slaone book? They are going to increase in value if you keep talking about them soo much? I only have one Eric Sloane book “The Little Red School House” it’s such a cute little book do you have any stories on it?

        • Eric Sloane is hugely important to the chase. More so than anyone could imagine. I tend to think that Forrest has laid out a tribute through his words and his map, for all of those closest to him in his life. And as you advance along the journey of his solve he weaves in the important people and places of present day and times past. But just when you think that it’s time to toss in the towel on your work, you will find yourself exploring one of the many beautiful places that Eric has masterfully recreated with the strokes of his brush. And that’s when It will become forever impossible to not pursue the path and I think maybe that’s why it’s so hard to turn back. At least that’s how it’s worked in my world, my reality, my solve and most importantly my opinion.

      • It’s pretty cool that one can come on here when seeking validation for ideas.

        Even the man himself contributes.

        Sure seems like that’s what these scrapbooks could be purposeful. And that purpose could be to validate ideas with circumstantial evidence.

        I guess the next step might be to collect a lot of circumstantial evidence, couple it with information gleaned from BOTG, and then you could have a solve that leads to the treasure beyond a reasonable doubt.

        Sounds to me like we just entered a court room drama!

        • What a lovely memorial to a friend – Eric Sloan. I loved your use of Crimson and Russet and “Personality Gray” – It gave the story a sense of “Colour”.

          Never thought to measure the length of my “finger spread” from pinkie to thumb tip. Mine is 9.3/8″ left hand but only 8 3/4 on my right – then again, I have Dupuytren’s Contracture on my right hand, so it makes sense that it is shorter – pinkie to thumb tip. Oh well. I have always been a bit odd – 🙂 JDA

    • Thanks, Forrest, for the explanation! Wow: Eric is in fine company with the likes of Frank Lloyd Wright, Frank Gehry, Winslow Homer, I. M. Pei, Augustus Saint-Gaudens (nice tie-in with the double eagles in the chest!), John Singer Sargent, and of course Robert Henri of SB 178 fame!

        • Time stands still and we pass through it.
          -Eric Sloane

          Wish I could slow my passing through it. Really enjoyed the last two scrapbooks about your good friend Eric.
          Thanks Forrest

          • Is the actual quote, “Time actually stands still; it is we who do the passing.” From the book, The Cracker Barrel

      • It’s a complicated and very prestigiously hard …..understanding. It is one step closer to something imo a majority of people are unacceptable to . If that don’t make sense then your half way getting it lol IMO Obviously there is no na after my name if there was it would probably mean non applicable so I’m just hanging on a wire hoping they don’t cut it after 2019 .Because I am starting to see just how much effort was put into this and it brings a tear to my eye because it deffintly creates a flawless masterpiece that would come to life and live on forever . Man I think I’m starting to get this art thing . Forrest you will always amaze me somehow, everywhere, all the time . I think for me it starts with knowing nothing is impossible if done perfectly it can make up for the imperfect it’s a beautiful idea and I think it’s called art.

    • Mr. 7enn, I’m impressed with all of this. Interesting life. Great stories. Very intelligent puzzle. You seem like a nice guy, but tough with a good heart and a sharp business sense. It seems you have a nice family who loves you as well. That’s the real treasure in this world. I have no wife or kids. Almost did once. In many ways my life was the opposite of yours. But we do have some important things in common. Intellect, love of art, writing, and the outdoors. I like your sense of humor. I intend to use some of the money to help kids who have medical needs, and you raised money for that before.

      I believe in second chances in life for people who made some bad choices. There is always more to a life than a few moments of stupidity and selfishness. For me, this trove would be that second chance. So I thank you for providing the chase so I can try for that.

      One question you don’t have to answer: How is it that so many of your belongings contain perfect clues regarding this poem?

      Anyway, I look forward to meeting you this Summer. I can’t get you any Christmas presents this month, so I’ll bring you some toys this summer. I’m done posting til then. It’s been fun. I gave away too many hints regarding my solve, but what the heck.

      • JoJo,
        I don’t think it’s that so many of his belongings contain perfect clues regarding the poem but rather the poem and treasure hunt were born from his belongings, family, friends and everything he holds dear. Everything he shares with us is a part of his life, thus part of the Chase.

      • Hi SuzyQ: stands for “National Academician.” I suppose if they had wanted to, they could have used NDA for National Design Academician. But I suppose that would cause confusion with non-disclosure agreement. 😉

    • Forrest – I would certainly buy myself a copy of “Seventeen Dollars a Square Inch” if you ever decided to pull the trigger on doing a new printing edition.

      And it would definitely not be for any treasure-hunting purposes other than enjoying more of your Eric Sloane stories.

    • Sounds like Mr. Sloane was a great mentor, teacher and friend. Successful in his own ways and good at it. Deep inside I think he’s still with you and looking out. r

    • Yes, thank you, Forrest. And right on time, too!

      The two most powerful warriors are patience and time. – Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace.

    • voxpops – Yes. I am listening. He wrote:

      ‘exact’ > ‘X-Act’?!

      Practicing my skate skiing at Galena Lodge here, Forrest. That Boundary Trail from West Yellowstone to Baker’S Hole is an excellent Winter way to get to my hidey spot area, to do a little fly fishing with my librarian friend.

      Talk about ‘Bitfrost’!


  3. Forrest,

    I really like how Eric melded the road into his name…as if to state that this was the path he had taken. Almost symbolic of the statement of the palette which cries out with the history of his artistic talent. *with reverence to wood and ode to the one whose artistic strokes grew it on the canvas of life.

    • My first love was the sea. But now I’m land locked and all I want is just the facts.

      Thanks for the info,

  4. In this SB, I see nothing but ‘connections’. There is a bridge, which in a simple definition of the word, is about connecting one thing to another. I bet f feels an enormous connection to this easel.

    How about that paintbrush? I see a steam train, 9 cars long, about to cross the bridge. Engine on right and caboose on left. Can you see the poem in this train? Those clues all need to connect to form that story that a paintbrush can tell.

    I would like to jump off that bridge….with nobody watching of course 😉


  5. A bridge of a different taste palette in the use of spoonerisms. The splat of paint is an art of rhythmic flavour , much like when a recipe is cowboy’ed in a yippee-ki-yay sort of genre way. The styles can be pleasurable in either artistic du jour.

    IMO .

  6. Love this, the answer, 80, almost 80, and a new book with all the new SB’s, let’s call it “Almost 90”. Lots of Love, Smartblonde

  7. It looks like folks are trying very hard to find some meaningful hint(s) or clue(s) in this SB.

    I don’t see anything significant, but the mention of 8.25 (equivalent) is something that has been seen before. I saw something a long time ago that (to me) seems like a very minor hint
    relating to the number 8. And I also saw something a long time ago that relates to .25. Do y’all remember reading “never underestimate the power of a quarter”? It’s part of one of the 3 books by FF that I’ve read. If that quoted part is a hint at all, I don’t think it’s a very strong one.

    Good luck, y’all. As always, this entire posting is part of my opinion.

    • What if the hints in the scrapbooks are meant to provide validation and would be extremely difficult to puzzle out without additional information that can be collected by other means?

      Exhibit A: It is possible for one to submit a theme, idea, or question to the public forum.

      Exhibit B: There is a possibility of having that question, idea, or theme mentioned in the following scrapbook by the creator of The Chase.

      Use caution in your themes, ideas, and questions because these proceedings are within the public domain. You may get the question you seek, but so will the defense team.

  8. .
    The word palette ihas ancestry with the word fore sho vel.

    Just take the chest and go in piece?

    • It would be interesting how he figured out that last half inch since his hand/finger spread was that wee bit short. Knowing the “ruler” by memory helps.

      Eaglesbound, maybe Mr. Sloane’s gift was 1/2″ too long? (Giggle.)

  9. I enjoyed the scrapbook. Mr. Sloane’s description of the countryside blaze in autumn triggered pleasant memories of my own. The covered bridge he painted you is beautiful.

    Tall Andrew, you mentioned the quarter, and I concur that there seems to be something about it. George Washington, Denver Mint, “coining” a new phrase, tucking a nickel under a gravestone, and others that are lingering in my mind, but cannot recall.

    • I find this interesting as well. As if one could be exact when determining the location of the chest because the creator was exact in his measurements.

  10. Forrest the bond you and Eric had is one to be admired. I like the 4 hands and a little bit equals 33 1/2, who needs a ruler.

    Thanks for the story,

    • I concur, Bur. I’ve used my right hand to measure things out on many occasions…6″ hand spread and 1″ from knuckle to knuckle. Who needs a ruler? 🙂

      • You know pdenver, I had to get my tape out and see what my thumb and pinky finger span is. 9”
        Well Forrest has me on height, but I have him on fingers LOL.

        Thanks for the comment pdenver and good luck.


        • Hello Bur. I had wondered how many other searchers would measure their finger span after Mr. Fenn knowing his. I already knew mine years ago, but if I hadn’t, I would have brought out the measuring tape. (Giggle.)

          • pdenver – we were taught in nursing school to use our hands/fingers to measure distance. So that we could use the distance for instance of an index finger, a knuckle, the span from left (if you are a lefty haha) thumb to left pinkie etc. to document in centimeters/millimeters things like wound measurements, incision length, erythema, ecchymosis etc. Then they came out with disposable paper rulers. But I’m still old school when I need to be. Comes in handy out in the field and with the right map!

    • Going back one SB, “hands” (4 inches) are also how the heights of horses are expressed. My thumb-to-pinky span is 9 1/2″ (comes in “handy” when playing Chopin and Rachmaninoff). I think I read somewhere that Forrest is a pretty decent piano player — can someone confirm? I don’t recall Forrest ever mentioning playing piano in any of his stories, so maybe it came up in conversation with Dal or another searcher.

      • Zap, 8.25″ is a tad limited for a male pianist. I can stretch a tenth pretty easily. Maybe Forrest uses a ruler that’s sensitive to all the heat currently being generated. 😉

      • Zaphod, yes I can confirm ff plays piano beautifully. Several years ago someone posted a brief clip of him playing piano at a girls school concert. I can no longer find it online to link.

        Gives credence to middle C, 88 keys etc

  11. Eric had no palette to give, so he gave what he had. The value of a gift is not in what it is, nor how much it is worth, nor how large it is but is in the sincerity of how it is given.

  12. At least 8.5 MILES north of Santa Fe
    It is of interest to know the length between your pinky and your thumb are about the same in inches as it is in miles north of Santa Fe.

    In ancient times things were measured in cubits (Noah’s Ark, Temple and Walls of Jerusalem, Pyramids of Egypt).

    A cubit is aproxamatly eighteen inches from elbow to tip of the middle finger.

    On some maps an inch is equivalent to X amount of miles in the legend.

    I think Eric also lived in Terra Amirillo at one time, you know, up near the Tarry Pits.

    Forrest, just keep those cards and letters coming….good fodder for us as we sit around the Pinyon fire and pass the pipe around.

  13. I like the measurements part and got a laugh out of that. Lots of hints, but I’m not going to mention those. Summer is awhile away.

  14. In this scrapbook, we see the painting of a bridge. Mr. Fenn’s finger span may be considered a “bridge” from Point A to Point B. Is a bridge, “Not far, but too far to walk”?

    • Not far, but too far to walk, now that’s funny. One of these days I’m throwing something to far to find, lol.

  15. The hand trick, IMO, is an old survival school training tip.

    When you go out to do something super dangerous, there is a chance of getting caught behind enemy lines. Self recovery is always an option and sometimes the only one.

    As you prepare for a mission, suddenly everything you decide to bring with you becomes an internal debate. Can’t bring to much because then you have no freedom of movement. Can’t bring too little because then you won’t have the tools required to finish the mission.

    Tricks like knowing how wide your hand is for hasty measurements is taught because you will, hopefully, have your hands with you at all times. If you lose one, you can still pick it back up and use it as a ruler if you absolutely have to, but you have a spare so you probably won’t.

    I think this clue means that you should stay flexible. Find ways of adapting quickly to changing conditions. The more tools you have in your tool box, the larger your odds of success when combating the unknown.

    And I think, if one could find the right question to ask, this clue has the potential to validate an idea that could help lead one to the treasure. But I really don’t think anyone could figure it out from this perspective alone. You need to know what you are testing and why you are testing it if you want to have a chance at understanding the results.

    I rest my case and open up this thread for cross examination.

    • So “what if” Mr. Fenn place his thumb over Philadelphia! on a map where would his pinky tip lie at 8.25 inches?
      Guessing that would depend on the size of the map and what direction his hand is laying.

      So looking at 8.25 degree of declination on Forrest’s map, there seems to be one state that fits in.
      Just thinking out loud.


  16. Eric’s Wood book explains what a burl/burr/knot is and what it was used for: bowls, etc. Cold=brrr(burr – Fenn purposely misspelled brrr recently) and burrs are in wood. Ties into poem nicely but until botg, this won’t help any of us. Ty f

  17. That is a beautiful piece of art, Forrest ,and a wonderful tribute from Eric to your friendship.
    I just watched “It’s a Wonderful Life” and it reminds me of the inscription in the book given to George from his guardian angel…
    “ Remember, no man is a failure who has friends”

  18. Thanks Forrest for the photos with stories.
    I just saw the movie Midway, and there’s Jimmy Doolittle along with Eric Sloane and Neil Armstrong ….and it’s good to see them all smiling, especially Neil Armstrong. His family used to live right down the street from me where I up. Neil Armstrong didn’t really like the Limelight most of the other astronauts did they were like rock stars. I sure have a lot of stories both on Earth and in space. The more I look into the art world the more it’s becoming part of me, it’s really kind of cool. I have only read a few of the scrapbooks is there any one of them that focuses more on your strategies getting into the art business? What you believe made it a success for you. My guess would be that your personality play the big part drawing in the clients. If that’s true it would really be cool to hear about some of your stories and how you stay so well connected with the right people. That’s a formula I’d like to hear…..


  19. Good morning, Forrest. I slept in late today, so my head was kind of foggy when I read this SB. I had to go out and do some Zen walking meditation among the mighty oaks. Zen meditation master Thich Nhat Hanh says, “A lot of harm has been done to mother earth, so now it is time to kiss the earth with our feet and heal our mother.” In return, she will heal us.

    When I asked Mother Earth about your SB, she said: “The same river which runs through it, has a bridge which crosses over it. No need for a dangerous river crossing.”

    Sounds sort of like a fortune cookie doesn’t it? Thank you Mother Earth.

  20. C’mon now, EFP has never been proven! And Eric ain’t talking…

    Never act on a hunch, but what about an ex? We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.

    Is anyone listening?

    Wood is wonderful.

  21. Mr. Fenn, I was wondering, is the covered bridge the place where Fenn Limpieza (Vignettes – Palettes) used to be?
    If the width of Eric’s easel board is 33 1/2 inches, then the covered bridge must be about four spreads of your right hand from the board’s edge?

  22. This SB makes clear that an artist can turn practically anything into a form of art, limited only by the imagination of the artist. One might also take from this SB that the end game could come down to a game of inches. If you don’t know exactly where, nor the boundaries at the end, then the probability is high you will end up with a nice vacation. Ten years it has remained hidden with no confirmation from Forrest that anyone has solved more than 2 clues of the poem. That is quite an achievement. We simply do not know what we do not know aside from the fact that it remains where Forrest left it. The two riders riding off in the last SB, one with a feather in his cap, might indicate the poem is solved and this SB, may indicate the end is now down to a game of inches. Then again it might all simply be a reminder that companionship is important in this world. I can’t think of a better message over the holidays. Thank you Forrest for brightening our lives with your presence and continued engagement.

  23. I’ve always thought that “hint of riches” referred to Sloane’s original last name Hinrichs. Now FF says he should be “synonymous” with wood so now Eric shows up in the final paragraph as well. How this all fits together I have no idea!

    • Hint or Riches

      This lines comes previous to the first clue. Assuming you and Zap are onto some thing, how does the injection of Eric Sloane help with the first clue?

    • Hi Lugnutz: I’m not convinced that it does. But it seems like something Forrest might do: pay homage in his poem to his close friend Eric in a playful way.

  24. I wonder if Terrence J. Brown could be the Brown from the poem? He’s an architect from New Mexico who was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam.

  25. This is a very meaningful SB for me. The connections go beyond anything to do with the Chase and are definitive on many levels. Thanks for sharing FF.

    • Ken – I must concur with those sentiments,with this SB and many others. So much deeper than just TTOTC. Hopefully more get past the glitter of gold and find the treasures that really matter.

    • Ken – I agree. Forrest’s river runs very deep. And he sweeps us along on a beautiful current of memory when he writes about what he loves. Beautiful stuff.

  26. Forrest how you describe the wood? Ha ha
    I like when u talk about wood.
    The thing is, is that there is so much.
    Thank u for another great scrapbook.

  27. Reading about the Spirit of St. Louis and its 33.5 hour non-stop transatlantic flight, one detail struck me. I noticed from the photos that there seemed to be no way for the pilot to have forward vision. (Apparently this was due to the fitting of forward fuel tanks.) What a metaphor for the Chase! We’ve all been flying blind. Learning to read the instruments has been a lengthy process.

  28. My father had a reverence for wood. As he collected old furniture he would examine it for the age and color. When ever he found an old item that had been painted over he expressed a sad contempt for the people that had done such a thing to nature. The house that I grew up in had a nicely weathered wooden facade. When one of my brothers went back to the home he took a picture of its current condition. The owners had painted it. Ignorant Savages.
    There is a ‘vibe’ with natural wood and stone. A feel and warmth. A connection with nature.

  29. 8.25 X 4 = 33, so the additional 1/2 inch is a guesstimate, I guess.
    1/2 inch is 2/33 (.0606…)of his hand spread, or 1/67 (0.0149253731343283582089552238806) of the total.

    33.5/8.25 = 4.060606060606060606060606060606…

    NOTE: none of the above can ever be exact in decimal (base 10) notation.


  30. Wow, the best part of this post is cameflauged. Very non-obvious. I almost missed it entirely. Jimmy Doolittle, what a story he has to tell. I learn something new everyday. Guys like that should never be forgotten. I could never be so lucky.

    • It must be hard to top the story about time when Neil was walking on the moon… but his is also good…

  31. Forrest said the key word is in the poem. And others are important too. So I have narrowed it down to 1 of 3 obvious words that stand out.

    • Please excuse my skepticism about Forrest having “said the key word is in the
      poem”. I suggest you research this claim more thoroughly, even though it’s not
      likely to be a big game-changer.

      For me, the “word that is key” is not contained (as an intact word) in the poem. As always, IMO.

  32. Which exact words stand out to you Lou Lee? If we knew what the exact word is would it help us get the treasure? I would hope so!!!!

    • Hi Spallies
      I will share my top 6. It could be any of them. But I narrowed it down to one. In order in poem:


      You decide.

        • The word that is key is obviously:

          keep > kee > key

          … but the key word doesn’t buy you anything. It’s … overrated. Let’s face it, it’s a $?? million puzzler. Mr Fenn worked on this for 15 years. You’re gonna have to work for it. Look at the big picture. There are no shortcuts. The road is long and filled with rabbit holes up the young yang. Happy trails. All IMVHO of course.

    • The word that is key to me is “it”. “In” is also an important word, as I read the poem. For instance:

      “As I have gone alone in there and with my treasures bold, I can keep my secret where, and hint of riches new and old.”

      “Begin it where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down, not far, but too far to walk”

      That’s the first two sentences in the poem (writing it like this is one way to “unwrap” the poem without having to resort to other trickery).

      Based on this, “it” to me is key because it is what you “take” “in” the “canyon down”. If you can answer that question, then I think you know where warm waters halt is. Worth noting, “begin it” comes before “where warm waters halt”, hence “it” sets the scene, so to speak.

      I find “in” interesting because of “alone in there” and “in the canyon down”. It makes me wonder if the thing you’re “in” is associated with the canyon down. “it” and “in” are thus linked IMO. Are you “in” something when you “take it” in the “canyon down”?

  33. Dear Forrest:

    This continues to be an incredible run, and it’s great to hear about two devoted friends who met later in life. I think you knew, and I think he knew too. Awesome.

    I ran the numbers, which was tough because I couldn’t measure and count on my fingers at the same time. In any case, I worked threw it and when done it reminded me of the splendid splinter and his great feat. The rounding and the period made all the difference for TW then, too. I also found a thing you framed in the fingers/digits there and it made me laugh! I thought of Ted’s book SoH where he marked the zones. He didn’t like low and away, and the circles were dark blue. Another great tail, plainly told. By my count that’s at least 2, they’re becoming more numerus/humerus!

    Take care,

  34. Thie last photo is an affirmation of firsts: The Spirit of St. Louis—first solo transatlantic flight. Jimmy Doolittle—first aviator to perform an outside loop. Neil Armstrong—first human being to step on the surface of the moon. Eric Sloan—first friend of Forrest’s heart.
    Maybe there’s been another first in the history of the chase?

    • Ronald, do you think Forrest met Eric Sloane (please note the spelling) before
      meeting/marrying Peggy? Geez.

    • Ronald Lee Oliver – From Eric’s biography on

      “Some of his first clients included aviation pioneers flying out of Roosevelt Field, Long Island. Many of those flyers insisted he paint the identifying marking on their planes. In exchange for teaching him to paint, Wiley Post himself, taught the young Hinrichs to fly. After his first flight the young man fell in love with clouds and the sky, themes that would be central to his work for the rest of his life. Among his early clients was Amelia Erhardt, who bought his first cloud painting. Said to be the finest cloud painter of his generation, his largest cloud painting graces an entire wall of the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum in Washington DC.”

      A few firsts there…

  35. The gauge of a railway track is defined as the clear minimum perpendicular distance between the inner faces of the two rails. TT Any questions of how many inches there is in the length of this wood pallet is simple, it is exactly a Narrow Gage length, inside diameter or minimum clearance for the Locomotive Axles, Flang and Wheel, I just thought I would roll this one by ya’ll for fun, also just to let you know my real forever sure last name is Gregory, but my wife call me Mr Terrific, so that is my Moniker on here, I actually have a cousin. named Michael Gregory, Attorney at Law in Las Vegas, NM. If you are ever in a jam in San Miguel Cty, call Michael.

    Well the other Michael Gregory that “Lisa” spoke of above is super talented, I am just sayin that you cannot swing a dead cat by the tail without hitting a GREGORY in the Rockies someplace… see Michael Gregory painter..

    About that RR bridge pic above, it looks more like the snow sheds at Cumbress Pass at 10,015′ just below the home of Brown, which is 10,200′,,,,nose up before you hit Mt Elbert.


    • My buddy and I once climbed Mt. Massive nextdoor To Mt. Elbert. Our goal was to build the tallest mountain in Colorado. Dependending on who you ask, we needed to bring it up 12 to 19 feet. What we found is, that it’s scary dangerous to build with rocks higher than one can reach. After a few close calls we got it to 12 or 13 feet and called it good. I’ve been told it has since been removed, but I have a photograph and memories of when… g

      • ACE – I love that. The name Mount Massive is far more distinguished that Mount Elbert; it SHOULD be the tallest peak in Colorado!

        As a fairly young kidd, my dad and I climbed Grizzly Peak, which was at the time considered to be the lowest Colorado 14er at just a smidge over 14,000′. It was later re-measured (not with hands, but probably with satellite imagery) and demoted in stature to a high 13er – how insulting – and shows why we must be exact in our measurements! However, with that *new* (many decades old) measurement, I can claim the distinction, along with my Dad, of climbing one more Colorado 14er than most anyone else currently living. So, that is the upside of exact measurements; in a back door way I’ve lived to do what very few others have.

        • The news mentioned a study looking to reintroduce grizzlies to other states. Brings a whole new level of fun to future treasure hunts. Colorado was in the list and new Mexico.

          • Hey Jasonhall – lore and legend (and a few eyewitness accounts) would have it that there are a few grizzly still roaming both the Northern reaches of Colorado and the Southern San Juans. Personally, I’m a believer.

    • Oh TomT you just reminded me that the distance between the rails of the Cumbres Toltec is 36″ or 3′. Same as Olga’s steamy bathtub – both of which have rather unusual but not unheard of dimensions. Especially that bathtub! It was a fun run but I had to move on…

  36. If it’s your understanding
    There would be no math,
    I think your are on
    A very wrong path.

    My son and I have been sitting by the fireplace, opening some mail, checking our calendars and counting the days until we go back. This time with a GPS, to be more exact. Every day we get one foot closer to the treasure.

  37. My father and I used to scour the countryside for old barn wood to make picture frames. Got to love that silver grey wood that has been there done that. He also built several houses all sided with untreated, unstained cedar. I got back there this last summer and saw that the homes, although a little rough, look better than ever. g

  38. Another stunning piece with marvelous history! I like Moody C’s observation that the paintbrush appears to be a train.

    A somewhat related side-note, I was going through my dad’s books not so long ago and was excited to find a copy of Eric Sloane’s a Museum of Early American Tools! I thought back to the SB where you suggest signing leaves and placing them in books…so I grabbed an oak leaf, dated it 10-31-19, signed it and tucked it in with hope it causes a smile some day!


  39. Yet another heart felt story from Forrest and his relationship with Eric Sloane.

    What I liked about this story is how Eric depicted the letters O in wood on the cover. The “intertwining” of them if you will.

    There are several meanings to intertwining circles. One has deep religious meanings in many cultures known as Vesica Piscus and refers to creation. Of course there is the infinity symbol, but I especially like this symbolism:
    “two circles overlapping, means, something great in progress, two souls combined, creates a sort of ideal, that none of them, could do on its own, they need each other.”
    That certainly sounds like the type of relationship these two had to me!

    And IMO, we can certainly apply that symbolism in many ways to this Chase as well. As always, thank you for sharing Forrest and Dal for posting.

      • Jasonhall – This is just MO….you probably haven’t missed much. Lol!

        BTW, you have some good insight in a lot of your posts here. I enjoy them and so many others.

  40. An interesting SB Forrest.

    I’ll hold the joker and one card. Draw three.
    While I ride out this headache, ( feels like a buffalo stampede running through my head.)
    Not much is making sense at this time. So following the bread crumbs is slow.

    Thanks Forrest

    • Hi Dave –

      I don’t know you right?
      I too believe the chest is secreted about 33 miles from where warm waters halt, as the crow flies.

      How you arriving at this number?


  41. I love finding old rusted things in the wilderness. There’s quite a lot out there. On the one hand it’s kinda sad, because there is so much trash on the land. On the other, my asthetic side likes the look of some of it. If I were lucky enough to find the chest, I’d want to photograph it, and clean it up all at the same time.

    BTW, 33 1/2 is too fast. 33 1/3, on the other hand, is just right. But that’s my speed, YMMV.

  42. Thanks again for the insightful SB Forrest
    I have always struggled to find the esteemed place Eric Sloane has in the chase, but offer the following:
    He livened next door to Goudy
    He attended Yale as did many others mentioned in the chase
    He wrote many books including illustrating the Little Book of Bells by Eric Hatch. This could be a nod to the Bell Jar by Edith Plathe.
    He took his name from John Sloan, who supposedly wrote the first detective novel Moonstone. He also taught Peggy Bacon? He spent his latter days in Santa Fe.
    Eric Sloane is an anagram of Cries Alone but don’t think this is relevant

    The measuring puzzle in this SB is a continuation of the many previous examples where the answer is tWo or 3 INCHES shorTERor TallER.

    As for the B ridge , I have no idea

  43. Just a follow up …I’m 167 pages into Charles Lindbergh’s 558 page Pulitzer Prize winning autobiographical chronicle of his quest and completion of the heroic 33.5 hour solo flight across the Atlantic in 1927. It is an absolutely fascinating page turner, riveting and eloquently voiced in first person by Lindbergh, detailing the lifestyle, mindset and focused drive of the man who dreamed the impossible dream and made his dream reality. I found a first edition in good condition online for less than ten bucks.
    I give it the highest possible recommendation.
    Merry Christmas!

        • RonnyLee,

          There’s been a few books that I have found hard to put down, so I know the feeling.

          Do ya mind me asking, where abouts ya from?

          You have some intriguing insight. Good luck with the Chase.


  44. I have my library ordering Sloane books. Very helpful for treasure hunting and life too. These books Shou be on the news. Common sense writing and good pictures. Wonder if the poem is rambled or jined?

      • I think his writing is spot on. He would’ve figured out treasure hunt in first week would be my guess. Wise before his time and yet to be understood is another thought I think reading his books. Hoping to put together a collection for my truck this year, especially the weather ones since forecasting is done with a sitar mostly now.

  45. I just got the wood Sloane book today. Definitely gonna find treasure now,….maybe… possibly.

  46. What a great piece of wood. I have never thought about the value of pallets. Forrest, you sure have a span of knowledge to share.

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