The Key Word…Part Nine

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“Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

The above is a quote from Forrest. This page is where we can discuss what that key word might be.

 

 

 

559 thoughts on “The Key Word…Part Nine

    • To me too. “Brown” is puzzling me. Why did he picked that word? It definitely stands out above the rest.

        • When I think of a brown problem spot, I think of a bloodstain.
          Blood turns brown while thoroughly drying.

          I seem to remember a famous scene in Shakespeare’s play “Macbeth”, in which Lady Macbeth is sleepwalking, and wringing her hands, imagining they are covered in (someone else’s) blood. Apparently, she had murdered (or helped murder) somebody. Gee.

          And I almost giggle (please forgive me, Lisa Cesari) when I
          see the word “spot” on a blog about this hunt. As always, IMO.

          • A “spot,” a “stain” – we all have a few.
            So what are we to to do?
            TA – I do believe you are spot on.
            “Put in below the home of Brown.”

          • Tall Andrew – Coincidentally, or not, I re-watched the movie, “Anonymous” last night, which reveals Edward De Vere, the Earl of Oxford, to be the true author of “Macbeth” and all of the so called ‘Shakespeare’s’ massive body of work. That play was about witches and Scots. I think one of Elizabeth I’s enemies, in line for her thrown, lost her head in the inspiration for that play. But her son, James, eventually got that crown.

            I think Edward De Vere imagined Elizabeth I was having bad dreams with blood on her hands.

            But, these are the kind of investigative exercises I like to do in my mind, here on The Chase. Because Edward De Vere was all about writing symbolic prose, with an often hidden message. Not unlike Forrest has in the Poem. IMO.

      • He knew it would cause a lot of confusion. Brown being such a common name made things difficult and scattered everyone in all directions. It is obvious it is a name because it is capitalised, so could be the name of someone or a place or both. The fact it is a name should not puzzle you. ff was shrewd in using this clue because he and the Brown he refers to have much in common.

    • Dave B. – I think Brown is an important word for us to figure out, but I don’t think it can be the “word that is key” because it is one of the most (if not #1 most) discussed words in the poem. Forrest seemed to imply (IMO at least) that the word that is key may be one that is frequently overlooked, or at least not talked about in the way that Forrest meant it to express.

      • Personally, I think Brown is the keyword.
        Yesterday I posted that being in tight focus is what I believed Forrest ment. For the sake of exploration, I gave finding a keyword some thought.

        My thoughts: Brown is most likely the keyword.
        Why? Because it seems to add a descriptor to Where warm waters halt.
        Of course it all depends on how one reads the poem.
        Currently I see a singular place with several discriptors.
        Where warm waters halt; Aka Home of Brown.
        If in doubt read the poem from Begin it at, to put in below…
        Now think about it for awhile. Naturally, this is the meanderings of my beffuled mind. So It is a matter of mho.
        Rabbit hole? I get this gut feeling it is not an unproductive one.

        HDD

        • After my morning coffee, and reading a few of the responses here.
          My meandering mind hit on something.
          Indulge me for a moment, and let’s consider the word ” IT ”
          Now the word ” it ” can describe many objects. In this case, I ask what is it referring too? In context: Begin ” IT ” where warm waters halt And take ” IT ” in the canyon down.
          At first glance, one might be inclined to say it is a river. Others would think it is a road.

          Imho, it is an animal path or trail. Most likely a migration trail.
          Problems with this train of thought like others. Is that there is thousands of them. So that takes us back to the question: What state?

          HDD

          • Very much in line with my way of thinking HDD. IMO IT is the key and IT can be determined by solving for I in the first stanza.

          • One cannot begin a trail or a path or a river. But one can
            begin a journey, adventure, trip, walk, hike, exploration, etc.

            The dictionary is my friend. It should also be yours.

            As always, in my oPInion.

    • my focus on the word Brown centers on the capital B. The word brown can almost be thrown out as it is so vague (just about anything could be brown- animal, mineral, person). So when you focus on “B” as a location, it’s possible that it’s Boulder, Co. Perhaps it is a small joke, and it continues the hint, as next line is “from there it’s no place for the meek” (Boulder). It really kind of makes sense, and Boulder has many places and features in the surrounding area that match clues. It is above 5000 feet.

    • So, Brown. He likes to play with words doesn’t he? Try this play out: Home=hone=edge
      Brown: Lines on any topo map
      Put in at the cliffs edge
      Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays ya’ll

      • He said that a word is key. To me that is one word not several. If you have several in mind then you got nothing. IMO.
        I got nothing as well… 😉

          • That could be a word that is key (in solving the poem), but
            is shorter than the word that I’m treating as “a word that is
            key”. In my solve, each of those two words could be important. And so is a certain noun. Hee hee!

            As always, in my oPInion.

        • The word that is key would be one word.

          A word that is key is not about just one word.

  1. Trying to light a fire here but getting the feeling I have wet matches in a torrential downpour and a howling gale

    SECRET Where HIN / T of RICHES NEW

    two anagrams side by side, same answer, not the key word F is referring to but intrinsically linked

    Pearls a singer

    • What about the word “and”, you left that out, why?
      I can see “canning” the “I”, but what about “my”?
      Where is: my, and, and, old? Why would you not use those words, and where did it tell you to not use those words?

      Trying to light a fire here but getting the feeling I have wet matches in a torrential downpour and a howling gale

      lol, I do like that though.
      If you like the anagram angle, how about this:
      And “h” in “t” of riches new and old.
      Whatever “riches new and old” are, it must have a “t”, that when you put an “h” next to it forms a word.
      New and old could be an anagram for “land owned”, so “riches land owned”, starting with a “t”, when an “h” is added, forms a word…….tree.Or “three”.
      So, for that line you get….And three.
      Anything is possible.

  2. In my simple and humble opinion. Being in tight focus is what is key.
    Example: “Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus. with a word that is key.” Period added ans I can see a relationship to the word ” With ” and ” In a word ”
    This is purely speculation on my part.
    There is one thing one might consider: The basis for most writing.
    Who: Forrest Fenn.
    When: 1980s?
    Where: Someplace in the Rockies. ( I wish I could have underscored ” Where ”
    What: Indulgence. ie: the chest.

    Time to get out the paper and pencil…

    HDD

    • Not in my solve. In my solve there are hints to the words that is key in the first two books. Thrill of the Chase and Too Far to Walk. He also gave a verbal clue about that. He uses several words that are key in his hints about that in my solve. All of these words do the same thing. And without it, there are some clues at the end of the chase that will leave you scratching your head. I suppose you can still find the treasure without it, but it wil be much harder.

    • Have you wondered whether “blaze” is the “word that is key” as mentioned by
      Forrest Fenn?

  3. A question from Andy S.

    https://dalneitzel.com/2018/11/16/the-key-word-8/#comment-859071

    Andy, I have explained my issue with the “blaze”a few times here. But just to hit on two issues, is one the “been wise” part. To me this is saying that either I should know what it is or I have seen it in my travels from the first clue solve. More likely after the put in point since this is the area that you go “into” away and out of sight off the main trail of canyon down. Now if I stand at my water high I see a few possibles of things that “stand out” in just a two hundred foot radius. Now in all fairness in two of my searches one a recon, and the other I followed the “no paddle up your creek” creek to a area I first considered a blaze place from a satellite map, turn out to be wrong. I should of went to water high and look for the blaze from there, but time ran out on that search. My last time I had 1/2 of a day at water high and again all the possibilities to check into with a off on drizzling rain happening, so not all I wanted to search was searched. So now I’m trying to research all these SB stories to see if Forrest hints to what a blaze is. I see “open hints” scattered about referring to the big picture and certain things found close to this area, so I believe he just might have my answer hidden in a word or words in one. If not I’m still researching all my info and photos to see if I missed something obvious for considering on my next trip.
    Also now I’m considering the “word that is key” that if might related to the blaze, and not just the first clue.

    This is why I don’t keep talking about my search area because it can get lengthy when writing about and makes no sense to others who don’t know all I have, or my area.

    So Andy S hope this shed some light on your question. Searching for this chest is a process ask all who have been to the Rockies. Don’t think one is going to find it in one trip, but you do learn from it.

    Good luck,

    Bur

    • Well Andy, not my first rodeo (search area). You have to have confidence in your solves to some degree or you might as well stay home. My confidence comes from more then just my solves of the clues for this area, which I have stated some of those reasons in posts here in the past.
      Again I’m now looking into “the word that is key” to see if it can also be related with the blaze? Might take awhile since that word has a lot of info surrounding it, just ask Forrest. Oh that’s right he doesn’t give out that info, but he does say the word from time to time, ask Doug P, he’s been to a couple book signings.

      To answer your question, WH in not on the top of the mountain in my solve area.

      Bur

      • Thanks, Bur.

        As Forrest said “it’s not “on top of any mountain [though] it may be close to the top.” 🙂
        Well, the altitude of WH will not reveal any hints to search area. All searchers keep in secret even smallest details about their search areas. As I said before: if I know exact area of other searcher I will never go there because I will be 100% sure that this area is wrong but my is correct one. So correct that if I reveal this area to other searchers they all will be there in next season 🙂

        • Out in the forest, you could be right next to the blaze and not know it. I would think that the 200 footers passed right on by the blaze. So it’s either a very huge thing, tiny thing, or camouflaged. Now add the chest, I’m sure f hid it’s location a lot better than the blaze.
          Walking around an area, not knowing before hand, is folly. If Bur has a good area, or spot, or a good blaze, it’s very possible just walking around will yield nothing. Andy, if your solve isn’t , solved to a specific point, or you are walking around looking with no cause, I’ll just say I wish you luck…

          • Hi Poisonivey,
            thanks for wishing me luck in walking around good area/spot 🙂
            I agreed that the blaze could be any size and color but Forrest indirectly suggested an idea that only real searcher will recognize it when found it. So, you should walking around and pay attention to any object that potentially will stay there for at least hundreds years. Trees are definitely could not be blazes – most of them will disappeared after 200-300 years. Big boulders will be there for 1000 years and even more. What else? Any ideas?
            Most likely 200 footers saw the blaze but did not recognize it. Why? Only Forrest know.

        • poisonivey: regarding the blaze, you theorized: ”
          So it’s either a very huge thing, tiny thing, or camouflaged.”

          In my opinion, it’s none of those things.

          “Now add the chest, I’m sure f hid it’s location a lot better than the blaze.”

          I don’t think the blaze is hidden at all, per se. It’s simply not recognized, and searchers’ prejudices about all the things it could or should be discourage its discovery. Supposing my theory about the nature of the blaze is correct (and that’s all it is: a theory), doesn’t that sound like just the sort of monkey wrench Forrest could toss into the mix to baffle searchers?

          • I totally agree. I’m in the “blaze is in the landscape” camp. I have a good blaze, whatever the blaze ends up being, rest assured it’s unconventional, IMO.
            But I don’t believe the key has anything to do with the blaze.

          • Hi Dal: I completely agree. The problem is some searchers (mistakenly in my opinion) think the blaze IS the keyword, so there is some crossover, and uncertainty about which thread is more appropriate.

  4. The poem is a riddle. What does it take to solve a riddle? Think about it. Think about one of the most famous of riddles of all time and what it took to solve it. It’s “key” to solving the riddle. It’s starring you in the face. It’s the tenth clue that leads you to the area where the chest is hidden. Look at TFTW. If you want to hid something, hid it in plain sight. Fenn is too smart and devious to just give us an obvious clue. He wants to tease us. He is laughing at everyone who goes around in circles talking about everything except what is right in front of them but not seeing it.

    • You got me thinking about “the nose on my face”. But I don’t think this is a huge
      help in solving the poem.

    • ronald- good point.
      everyone here is talking about a word, the key word.
      what about the few in “tight focus”? lets talk about that too because tight focus is just as important as the key word itself.
      tight focus could mean a photograph. and Dodo bird has the photo of the key word IN, as in brave and IN the wood. even though eric sloane didnt paint it on the chest.

      i think.

      • “I” is key to solving the poem.

        “I” is in the first line and the last line.

        Who is “I”???

        Goes with T.S. Elliot poem saying you need to know the end to know the beginning.

  5. Does everybody interpret this statement as; few of the many are in tight focus? Or, has anybody considered that few of the clues are in tight focus. Without making assumptions, how would forrest know that few of the many are in tight focus of a word? Not to mention that forrest neglects to mention what “many” is defining. Many what? Searchers?
    Forrest could comfortably and more accurately state that few of the clues are in tight focus with a word that is key.
    I think that more important than determining what that word may be, is the tell that we can derive from the analysis above. Which says, some (few) of the clues share something in common.

    * support of this analysis is from:
    Pg 6 TTOTC, 1st paragraph 2nd sentence.
    Pg 6 TTOTC, 4th para 7th sent.
    Pg 13 TTOTC, 1st para 9th sent.
    These may even be the hints that help with the clues.

      • Badger. I can relate to what you theorize here. I read it as “Many” being that of a noun determiner and “Few” being that of a grammeric/ adjective determiner , Not of a determiner noun as being the same in its relationship to “Many” ,that is being a noun determiner for Searchers . But “Few” as an grammerical or adjective determiner, nodding to “clues” .

        I think I may have just confused myself lol. Not sure if I said that correctly .

        Few is not meanning Searchers ,but rather refers to clues. In lieu of the recent Q&A about the word that is key, it gives a nod to this thinking. ” Many” ( Searchers) and ” Few” ( clues) may not be meaning the same thing in their context.

        IMO .

    • When Forrest offers information without being asked a question, I think we should take his message at face value and assume he is speaking frankly. I do believe Forrest crafts his words carefully when replying to a question he doesn’t want to answer.

      Using that logic, I think a few people have known what is the key word and how to use it for several years now.

  6. OS2 – Just wanted to follow up on the previous thread that the word-within-a-word idea sounds reasonable to me!

    • Thanks Blix… and if you will think hard on the example I gave, and ponder ‘Hear me all” & the main elements of the final stanza, (which are all incorporated in a stark painting ff showed us long ago). I think you will have some pretty powerful insight to the final leg of the chase. An old word for ‘chase’ is in that stanza too….. it’s totality is so cleverly devious, I made me laugh out loud. But since I can’t chase, can’t do BOG…. I dont know if the other stanzas are built the same way.

      • OS2, I would even say that it’s part of the architecture of the poem. From line 21, face value, hear me all= listen to the words.
        And listen good= take it to another level. Not just the words, but words within words. Letters, abbreviations, homonyms, all play a role in the architecture of the poem. IMO, the key is a piece of that architecture. (I added the last line to stay on topic).:)
        And yes OS2, every line is built that way. That type of structure in writing happens like, well, not at all. Just here in this poem and maybe instructions of how to put something together. That, IMO, is only done, by design.

    • Hi Blex and OS2: I think there is pretty good circumstantial evidence from the poem that Forrest is open to including this type of element in his clue toolbox. Consider the fourth line of the poem:

      “And hint of riches new and old.”

      Searchers have been pointing out for years that “Hinrichs” is there — in order — in “hint of riches,” which is awfully compelling. But scrambled within “riches new and old” can also be found “Eric Sloane.” Not as convincing, perhaps, since it involves pulling 10 letters out of a string of 15, all but the C being very common in English. But then in line 10 you can find Eric’s first name, in far less scrambled form, and in 7 consecutive letters:

      “The end is EVER DRAwing nigh;”

      I’ve read that Forrest enjoys cryptic crossword puzzles (does anyone here know this first-hand — e.g. Dal?) If so, that would lend further support for the theory that some of the poem’s hints or clues involve such wordplay.

      • Thanks for that, Dal. There is a subcategory of crossword puzzles called cryptic crossword puzzles. They’re more popular in the UK than in the US, and require a bit more lateral thinking than a conventional crossword puzzle. They can involve anagrams in other forms of wordplay.

        • Zap – I can agree that those are some compelling unscrambles; especially getting Eric Sloane out of “hint of riches new and old”, but then again the poem contains every letter in the alphabet except X and I’m sure a wide range of compellingly relevant words and phrases could be extracted out of the poem that have yet to be discovered.

          What causes me to shy away from going that route are just a couple of select Forrest quotes. The first is the classic “Don’t mess with my poem.” To me, it seems one of the most bald-faced, direct things that the man has said. It’s like a barked order almost. But then you also have all the other quotes about how Forrest is very happy with the final draft of his poem and how everything is in just the right place and how he felt like an architect when he was done with it an so on, and I can see how those statements would make one consider stuff like crosswords and jumbles and word searches because each letter is precisely located where it should be. But for me, thinking along those lines gets quickly dissipated when I go back and remember Forrest’s stern direction: “Don’t mess with my poem!”

          The other quote is the longer one that I’m sure we’re also very familiar with: “Some searchers overrate the complexity of the search. Knowing about head pressures, foot pounds, acre feet, bible verses, Latin, cubic inches, icons, fonts, charts, graphs, formulas, curved lines, magnetic variation, codes, depth meters, riddles, drones or ciphers, will not assist anyone to the treasure location, although those things have been offered as positive solutions. Excellent research materials are TTOTC, Google Earth, and/or a good map.”

          Now he doesn’t blatantly rule out crosswords or the unscrambling of letters, but he does mention ciphers, codes, charts, graphs, and fonts, which I consider to all at least brush up against the type of cryptic crossword stuff you are talking about (On a sidenote, I had not heard about cryptic crosswords before but the idea sounds really neat; it looks like there are some books of those on Amazon.com that I might have to check out). Also the main point he is trying to make is that too many searchers are overcomplicating things and then he goes on to list three very important research materials that all tie directly into the idea of marrying the poem up to a place on a map (which is also something that he has clearly directed us to do).

          I don’t know any more than anyone else who hasn’t found the treasure, but I think that just marrying the poem up to a specific location is easier said than done and plenty complicated enough.

          Anyway, circling back to the subject of this thread, these same reasons are the reasons that I personally settle in on the idea that the “word that is key” is simply one of the actual words in the poem as is without any manipulation required. Maybe that’s overly timid of me, but I’d sure love to eventually be proven either right or wrong!

        • Hi Blex: the “don’t mess with my poem” line gets a lot of mileage, but few actually seem to know its origin and context. It can be found in The Poem Part 2 (link provided below) and was a post by Dal which ended with:

          “By the way. A couple of years ago I had a discussion with Forrest about ‘halt’ not rhyming with ‘walk’. I was suggesting that one of those words might not be the right word and once the real word was put in place… and rhymed… that things became much clearer…

          “Forrest listened to me for a little bit and then jumped in and told me very directly, ‘Don’t mess with my poem.’ So I have not tried to change his poem in any way since then… dal…”

          Link: https://dalneitzel.com/2014/01/09/the-poem-part-two/#comment-30431

          What Dal was suggesting was an actual alteration of the poem’s content: changing a word. *That* is the entire context of Forrest’s statement. We don’t know what other manipulations would be equally unacceptable to Forrest — we only know that changing even a single word is one example that is a no-no.

          • Zap – You make a good point about that first instance, but I feel like there have been other instances where Forrest has repeated his direction not to mess with his poem outside of a context specific to not swapping out whole words. I can’t think of many specific examples offhand, but I know he at least wrote something very similar at the end of Scrapbook 114. I think Jenny Kile has a pretty good collection of quotes that all seem to float around my line of thinking when it comes to messing with the poem on her website here: https://mysteriouswritings.com/advice-from-forrest-fenn-on-how-to-find-his-treasure-chest-and-solve-his-poem-top-twenty-quotes/

            I guess the real edge that we’re walking along is trying to determine what Forrest means by “messing” with the poem? I’m certainly extending my interpretation beyond the hard instances where Forrest has said “don’t mess with my poem” by bringing other quotes into the mix that seem to be talking about the same type of thing (IMHO). But there’s no hard data that I can point to to argue against your idea that Forrest was only referring to swapping out words in the poem as “messing” with it.

          • It is fairly clear after all of these Chase years that the poem has been messed with in more ways than can be imagined. One just has to review any given topic or thread posted at any given time and can see that firsthand. Some folks believe the [word that is key] resides in the poem, while others believe the opposite. Across the board… each person believes based on individual preference or how they relate what Fenn has said at various times in SB, 6 Q’s etc. That’s just human nature.
            For me… I have to stay within the realms of logic and remember that *early searchers* got close to the treasure… and by accomplishing that they had to have come to a couple of very basic conclusions about where to go to begin with. I remind myself of those times where there was not a massive database of SB, interviews, videos and other info gleaned from the man through subsequent interactions. Even if those early searchers were not aware how close they were… the poem still got them within striking distance. I believe the searcher toolbox does not have a slot for a decoder ring, nor does it need room for the 247SB. Getting back in the box[toolbox] may simply mean to use the tools recommended… and the *word that is key* probably exists right in the poem where all of the information is supposed to be. Or not…

          • Hi Blex and ken: for me, “messing with” the poem means any form of substitution (to include deletion) or transposition of any of the poem’s elements (e.g. altering the order of the stanzas). In my opinion, acrostics (for example) do not involve either of these: nothing is getting changed, nothing is getting moved. Same goes for vertical alignments (e.g. HORN in stanza #1). Doesn’t mean they were deliberately engineered by Forrest — just means that I consider them acceptable avenues for delivering extra information beyond the simple words that make up the poem.

            Do I think hint of riches –> Hinrichs was deliberate? Yes. Likewise ever drawing –> Everard. And if those ~were~ deliberate, it tells me that the methods used in each case are also fair game.

          • Yo Zap… It’s all good. My post was more zoned in on the *key word/Word that is key* topic and less about *messing* with the poem. I agree with your basics in that department… but personally adhere to a more *straight forward* approach to reading the words in the poem. Thanks…

          • According to my solve, you can’t take anything Fenn says at face value. Not a word of it. Everything he says or writes is subject to interpretation. Everything.

        • The cryptic crossword puzzles are popular in my country too, being part of the commonwealth. I do the cryptic crossword from time to time. Thats why I think the HOB line is cryptic. It has the elements of one. The main element being what they call the confirmer. Put in when joined together gives you Putin as in Vladimer. This could also indicate that not only Brown has a capital letter, but also Putin. People assume Put only has a capital because it is the first word of a sentence.

        • Maybe you should take the poem and without rearranging the letters, organize the poem in the form of a crossword puzzle. By shifting lines a few spaces left or right you can actually create new words up and down. Interesting the words that show up.

  7. I believe the key word is “alone”, in his books there’s only a few places he talks about being alone. With process of elimination from the stories in the books, FF’s scrapbooks, hints he gave over the years and based on that word ( alone ) I came to what I think is the correct solve. Now just have to find the time to see if its correct.

    • while I think ‘alone’ is as good a candidate as any other, I think the reason ff’s Stories and SB’s, are lacking in the word ‘alone’ would be that if you can point to a used car salesmen that was alone alot, I’ll point to a very unsuccessful used car salesmen…

      ff in the end, and under his own power/admission is/was a very high end salesmen, and very successful by anyone’s definition… and that requires that he not be alone much… and yes, probably values the times that he is alone.

  8. My current solve that will take me into the field come spring again has a great tie to the word “wise”. Time will tell if I have been wise, but in my solve “wise” means something different than what most people read it as… thats about all I can say at the moment but just chiming in.

  9. IMHO, the poem begins with “I” and it ends with “I”….the only two places in the poem where “I” is used. It is a single letter, and yet it is also an easily overlooked word. And there is also significance in the fact that this word is used only in the beginning and then just once more in the end. “I am the beginning and I am the end.” Everything else is between these two points in the poem represent suggested paths and/or actions that we assume we must take in order to locate the chest. But now read this poem again, as if YOU wrote it, and now you become “I”. Hence, now you are the beginning and you are the end. “Created in his likeness,”… perhaps?
    WWWH, THOB, The Blaze, etc., etc……..is the poem is a teaching, perhaps? And if so, must we first “map” out all of these elements before we can proceed “with precision and certainty and be sure, beforehand?” “I”, for one, firmly believe this to be the case.

    • Brad opined – “IMHO, the poem begins with “I” and it ends with “I”….the only two places in the poem where “I” is used.”

      “I” is used seven times in the poem, Brad (or five times, if you don’t count “I’ve” and “I’m”).

  10. When FF was pricing art he mentions “tight focus” on money/price/cost
    That could be measurements like:
    Worth (as in Ft. Worth)
    Unique item…something =one only
    Eye

    If he is hinting at riches then riches seems to fit money
    Or people on money
    Washing – ton
    Kennedy
    Eisenhower
    Lincoln
    Hamilton
    Franklin
    Etc

    Just my 2 cents

    • In the first line, “I” is used as a personal pronoun (most likely, in my opinion).
      In the third line, “I” is used again. The capitalization rule that is followed through the entire poem adds to the fun and makes it difficult to confirm if this “I” is a second use of the same personal pronoun or an indication that the letter “i” or “I” somehow “can keep my secret where”
      If you like “I” for your word that is key, which “I” is it (and what definition do you ascribe to it)?

      love this game,

      even

  11. How keywords fit into the solve that I have the highest confidence in are like this:

    There isn’t just 1 word that is key. There are important words in which may help you confirm (maybe through bias, i’m ok with confirmation bias) that you may be in the right spot.

    Basically, you find a word in your solve area that’s in the book or poem. Or upon finding a landmark you search it’s history and boom, there’s words Forrest has used littered in it. That to me would say, this may be a good spot to look.

    if that isn’t logical enough, I would agree. 1 reference isn’t enough. I use the “divine evident” rule in the chase. The bible uses this rule. For something to be divine or biblical, it should be referenced at least 2 times in the bible. This is actually how they decided which books belonged in the bible.

    So, to use this with the chase; if you find a word in your solve area, keep an eye out for another one connected to it. So, say you find a Brown mountain. And you look up the history of Brown mountain, and it also talks about how there is a warm spring on top of Brown mountain, that would give me more confidence in thinking, hey, I might have found home of Brown and WWH. (This is just an example of my divine Forrevidence rule.)

    it’s also a classic case of confirmation bias. but again, I’m ok with that. because lets be real, if you just shrug off everything as coincidence, you’re never going to leave home.

  12. Alone is indeed the key word. And oh pinyon nuts, if you are wise, through knowledge, discover what “the blaze” truly is.

  13. The word that’s key is title. In its most important analysis, it’s what gives up the location of the treasure. The last line of the poem, is I give you title (tight L) to the gold. But to make it even more obvious for me is his curious use of “tight focus”
    when talking about the word that’s key. Tight focus – tight L (90 degrees)

  14. A word that is key would unlock a gate of information related to the location of the chest. This word gives you a person, a place and thing. The word has a triple meaning and once found will give you a location. Forrest has given all of us the cues for that location on several occasions, he speaks around it. Forrest has not mentioned the location but has hinted at it… I won’t reveal it but I believe several people know what is… Contentment…, Focus…, Analysis… Structure… person, …IMO

  15. If you look at the 9th line, from right to left, the first 3 letters are “kee”. In my opinion, if you can solve this line, from right to left, it helps with the key. The key is Forrest Fenn, and that is a small part of the last clue.
    The word that is key is different. “that” being the word has a placement in the poem as the 113th word. It’s not so much the word as it’s the number. That number is key in a few instances. Like helping with the last clue, figuring the walk, longitude degrees, placement of a bell, etc…
    The poem puts an “x” on a map, do you really think that would be the end? How many have the “x” being to clue 8?
    IMO, the key, and figuring out what the key is and does is vital for solving the last clue. We only need to solve one clue, the last one, remember?
    To get these answers, you need to ask the right questions, we all know that. We should ask ourselves why the “so many” numbers f has used. Why 265 coins, why not 264, or hundreds? Why the 1,000 years down the road, why not 500, or 2442? Why the year 12016, why not 12014, or (you get what I’m saying).
    Answering these little hints is vital to a solve, or why would f have even said these things?
    The key is something of a hint but a clue, if that makes sense. It will be part of a solve, it will have a place that is needed to find the treasure, (all my opinion). If you don’t want to go by what f is saying, and find some phantom word, okay with me. If it helps you with trying to understand the poem, then that’s great for you, don’t let anyone steer you from the possibilities. But again, you have to see that if this key is so important, it has to be in the poem. Or it’s not that special and a waste of your time. If it’s a word, or a word within a word, or whatever you decide, make positively sure it’s in the poem. All, IMO.
    For me, the word is “that”. “Few” is in tight focus with that word, and upon some future write up, I will give good reason why that is so. The takeaway is the number, 113. Even if you don’t see it, put that number in your notes for some other time.
    80 is a gimmie, just recently we had a SB where f did a measurement from his hand, E. Sloane palette. The actual measurement was 33, not 33 1/2.
    Add 80 to that measurement. But only on f’s birthday:)…Just a meaningless bone.

  16. Let me re-post. To a person born blind “tight focus” could mean to “listen good”. And as key could be a sound.

      • I’ll give you some help. Regarding my solve anyway. There is a word that if you knew what it is and what to do with it, is key to ‘unlocking’ the poem. Now, there are several words that do this. Just in case you don’t find it in the poem, Forrest was kind enough to tell us in a verbal statement as well as having put at least one more key word in the books. In his verbal statement he said it was ‘contentment’. According to my solve it is. But if you can’t figure that one out, then I suggest locking yourself in a Hotel room and working on it day and night until you figure it out.

  17. Well I have opened up the poem, worked through all the clues, which lead me back to the keyword. I then used the last paragraph to confirm the location of the treasure. All other clues fit like a glove, including the few sneaky ones ff has toyed with. I have the GPS location down to about 10 meters x 10 meters.

    My problem is I am in the UK and would have to fly over in the summer to retrieve it. I wonder if I gave ff the GPS location he would allocate a trusted fellow seeker go dig it up and share the booty with me!

    • I’d be happy to drive over and split it with you. I can go anytime you narrow it down to 100 sq. M

  18. OK, here it is>>>
    My thoughts after tight focus on the keyword Brown.

    First, you’ll need to know something about the word LISTEN. it’s an anagram of SILENT, but that’s just a cherry. Tight focus on the word LIST.

    A ‘list’ is an edge- line- alley- chase- channel. The selvage edge of a bolt of fabric is called the ‘List’. In days of Ivanhoe, the jousters road their steeds down the LISTS (the alleys of combat). Lists are lines that define separations. They can be natural like a high-water mark along a river, or manufactured like the painted lines that divide sections of a coat-of-arm. More commonly today, a list is an enumerated line of things, like a grocery list.

    Here’s a golden Cherry: a list can also be a ‘quick’. A ‘quick’ is a “living wall’ … like a hedge, or the living fences of small manicured trees that bear fruits. After dinner, George & Martha may slowly stroll the quick around the gardens at Mt. Vernon.

    Onward. Recall that stark painting of a COLD Indian BRAVE making an EFFORT to LISTEN GOOD to a telegraph pole? Do those wires/lines sing out: HEAR ME ALL? Eddie Van Halen might say it was a BROWN sound.

    Tight focus again, the middle of Brown is ROW. Oar or paddle are more cherries. Think map, think Right-Of-Way, the cleared areas under telegraph/telephone lines. They’re on some maps.

    Imagine a young Forrest on his bike, toting his catch & fishing gear home after a day at some river hole in the forest… easier to navigate the R.O.W. than the forest floor? Follow the wires, you won’t get lost. Tired & weak seems relevant here. Also, ‘As I have gone alone’.

    Responses?

    • Very interesting, very interesting indeed. I had not surmised the poem this way. It makes the words smaller and even simpler too.

    • Telephone poles lines do make for highway in the woods too. I use them sometimes (although animals do as well)

      • Jason… Glad you found it, I’ve tried 5 times to get my comment posted… over several hours today. Now its finally posted, but with out any attribution in the side column “Most recent comments”… Curious, no? OS2

    • Hey OS2 – as usual, brilliant. Kinda jives with SB 46…Forrest had a grocery list in that story but I think he was also referring to power / telephone / telegraph line insulators when he was complimenting the fashion maven’s hairdo. And the stripes in Forrest’s recent flag collage…they could be lists, or alleys couldn’t they? I always loved that Georgia O’Keeffe called Forrest a “low brow” (somewhere on Mysterious Writings). beLOW the home of bROWn. Below the row? I don’t know, but I like how you are thinking, OS2!
      PS Last summer in Yellowstone I had a close encounter with a grizz – we were both using a power line ROW to get somewhere but he clearly considered it his personal highway. Lesson learned. 2 cans of bear spray (and maybe a diaper) next time.

      • Sally Colorado, your PS; I think people do not really understand the situation with grizzly bears, how dangerous it can be. You are right, at least two cans of bear spray, noise makers, etc. Last summer I did not see one, but I heard one growl nearby, the warning sign grizzly bears make if you are too close. I left the area quickly.

        • Glad you shared what is was like
          , andd what happened, that helps everyone plan. You have to look out for the mountain lions too, although there a bit tricky to keep an eye on when they’re around.

      • thinking i wouldn’t have needed to pull that second can out unless i did it in my sleep. Not sure I could handle that one.

    • OS2 – I think that there’s some interesting stuff swirling around in your head. There are some strong possible hints that Forrest has given which makes me question if telephone lines and Right-of-Way’s may be in the mix somewhere along the way to the hidey spot. However I do consider Right-of-Way’s to fall under the category of a “human trail” (they exist so that a 4WD maintenance vehicle can go up and down power/telephone/utility lines as needed), so if following one of those is part of the route to the hidey spot, one would need to leave that Right-of-Way at a decent distance away from the hidey spot in order to meet Forrest’s qualifying statement of the treasure not being hidden in very close proximity of a human trail.

      On a completely different topic, have you ever considered the geographic features of dikes or hogbacks as some other elements that might fit into your linear line of thinking? Maybe they fit somewhere into that mix as well.

      Anyways, good stuff! Thanks for sharing, and glad that you were finally able to post it!

      • Thanks for your thoughtful reply Blix. I understand the “no human trail” thing too, It may be an old, disused ROW .,, and I dont know if the whole route is governed by the “no human trail” statement. Just something to think about .

        • OS2 Welcome to the party. Just remember the Park uses those trails to drop off carcasses for Grizzlies… make sure you ask where this takes place. Spring is a dangerous time. All the Grizzlies use those ROWs. I’ve seen Grizzlies in my area as well. Good Luck and Silence is Golden

    • OS2 – Ever ‘S’ is an ‘f’:

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silence_Dogood#/media/File%3ANew_England_Courant_-_third_Silence_Dogood_essay_(detail).jpg

      Silence Dogood:

      “So hear me all and listen good…”

      Thank you, Benjamin Franklin. Was that two or three people, who can keep a secret? And I go to bed and get up early. I hope the wealthy part comes along eventually…

      I could use a few more C-notes…

      Love you, Forrest. And you, too, Ben. Both ‘Mavericks’. IMO

  19. Tis the season to be merry…

    The key word is NOT – to sue, as in Tesuque (to sue key), which Mmm bop Hanson misinterpreted. But Tesuque does, in a way, line up with QUEst TU SEase.

    Also, thinking of the old saying, “I’ll be”, the 1st letters of IF-LOOK-BUT = I.L.B.
    Even looks like a key
    I
    L
    B
    And the last 1st letters too, BCG, big cheesy grin.
    All centered around LOOK > QUIckly (KEY) and useful letters which help with 3 things.

    Your rabbit hole awaits!

    • Chrisazy, I thought the same about Tesuque. With Quest to cease and look quickly down. Dash down, dachshund. Then with Forrests logo for Santa Fe Trading is a dachshund that I thought was Tesuque but in SB 243 we see the logo is Bip.

      • I still think it works no matter what dachshund it is. As long as the area fits with the other parts of the poem.

  20. If we draw (lines) and a map of anywhere and use ordinary geographical standards what is the directory or legend called? Better yet the Key, now on what part of the map is the key or legend illustrated? On the edge or side or border.

    In the start of this poem is a metaphor for a key location, also at the end it is repeated.

    Hint….of riches new and old and title to the gold, both are describing something as clearly as a canyon down. There is only one definition for Canyon, I do not think even a rakish feather describes the down we seek. Does your imagination allow you to see the poems key in a word? It is where the “key” goes and unlocks the location for us at the edge. Like all maps whether created by words or lines it is all the same, sometimes called a boundary, a border an Imaginary line that separates us like an invisible wall. How is”New” Mexico distinguished from “Old” Mexico you ask? What defines a Title? Metes and Bounds. Therefore we are on the threshold of solving this dream finally IMO.

    Many will say that is too simple, but it is sublime when words draw that border and the best way to find it is to cross it…. many many times..

    TT

      • OS2, Forrest has stated, and I paraphrase: the poem, if we understood it, could take us within a few feet of the Treasure:“Let’s coin a new phrase. You can’t have a “correct solve” unless you can knowingly go to within several steps of the treasure chest. Otherwise you have a “general solve.” What do you think? F”

        The unique thing about finding borders is that almost all ingenious problem solvers start with what they can find easily, when kids are taught to solve a puzzle, they begin by finding the straight edges and arrange them secondarily by colors, then pictures begin to appear, now imagine how many states are left, only 4, each has four borders, each border has a horizontal direction and a vertical, north south direction, however in Geography we see a big difference between these two lines in the Rocky Mountains, the horizontal lines run east west and the edges of the Rockies in general, note I use ff’s word “general” are inside of the vertical markers for the 4 state lines, they are all pinned by a latitude, ie a horizontal line on a degree, like the border of Wyoming and Montana, it is exact spot, and if I am correct one can see why the exact degree at the border could be a key observation, furthermore there are hundreds of thousands of brass or bronze markers on the borders, see geodetic surveys for those in your search area.

        This theory is not Cryptic, it is mathematics, and any navigation must be done by confirming some kind of numbers to get one to a few steps of the TC.

        The Vertical lines, or Longitude are drastically different but can almost be eliminated because the edges of the Rockies are show in his Too Far Map and how loudly he complained when Canada got left off, even thought the Rockies go way up there into Canada.

        Think of these lines like a football field, or a grid, when you extend the horizantal line to infinity, you are always traveling east or west right? But when you are moving vertically, after Canada and the Artic you are going south, when you pass the North Pole, the difference comes from understanding boundaries and we only have 3.

        TT

        • TT… so many replies I want to make and my posts keep vanishing. dont know if this will post or not. RE: Crossing those blocky states, dont step on the cracks or you’ll break your mothers back… and she has long vision as I recall. Dont have the book here now. Thanks for your input.

          • Missouri tom, look at the BIG PICTURE, first IMO, It is only, and exactly 90 miles to the first of the 3 borders In the Rocikies North of Santa Fe, it is at 37 degrees Latitude, Colorado Border with New Mexico, how many degrees is it from (freezing) @ 32 degrees to 37 degrees? 5, now how many lines do we count to the first clue in the poem? 5 also, Begin it where warm waters halt, 5th line. The next border is at 41 degrees, 4 degrees and 4 lines and that next line 4 is the mysterous clue “Put in Below the home of Brown”.
            Everyone gets stumped there….The final border at Wyoming and Montana is 45 Degrees.

            Easy to see that something is very different about Home of Brown and the put in? Find what that is and you understand a whole lot more about the geography of a very small area, it is Itty Bitty IMO and Page 9 holds that key word in capital letters in Thrill Book….IMO

            Why after being a loyal Collected Works customer for so many years did Forrest got to BIg BOX Borders to buy “For Whom the Bell Tolls”…

            I rest my case.

            TT

  21. It was good to have been a part of “the few in tight focus” days and imo, the few know who they are and what the word is. So knowing and applying the word for five years plus and still nada, means the poem is next to impossible to solve and given the multi-million dollar prize you shouldn’t expect anything less.

  22. I don’t think that the word that is key is even in his poem, but in TTOTC. Remember, there are a couple of abberations that live out on the edge 😉

  23. In my opinion:

    Brown is capitalized because it’s the one clue that you can point to on a map. It’s a place with a proper name on a map.

    The first two clues define the geographic area to search using the key. The remaining seven clues allow you to draw lines with precision to the treasure chest.

    The key word is not in the poem, but it is in the book. The key word is like Frodo’s ring – One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. It’s a method of connecting the answers to the clues to draw exact lines a map.

    If I said the key word, you would not believe me. If Forrest told you the key word, you would probably be confused unless you have already discovered the mechanism. Discovering the key is what makes this puzzle incredibly difficult. The key was expressly overlooked on this blog many years ago, and to my uncertain knowledge no one has circled back to the key.

    Forrest frequently drops subtle confirming hints that you can recognize if you’ve solved the puzzle.

    • I agree. No more locked doors.
      It’s interesting that in the Rocky mountains something can be so close yet so far away. People have went right by. He said so(200-500ft however). Oddly enough I would add, a bit of redneck ignorance could confuse two or three words and do the same.

      • I know I have seemed to do that well drove right by anyway. I do believe a decent amount of confidence is needed once close to the treasure imo

    • Darvcus: Brown as the “key”

      as you describe it, it could not be the key in the way you used it, as ff implied the little girl from india could not get past the first two clues using a map and etc…

      if it were a proper name on a map, even if it were an offshoot of “Brown”, the little girl from india could get as far as you have, by naming brown (or other proper name) on a map as you have. and thus get more than two clues using a map and etc…

      (the little girl being figurative, meaning anyone,) imo.

      • I don’t know about technically, and everythin else for words. I do know a little girl could go to airport and catch a flight, and be able to drive a biceyecle to alot of places In the Rockies. I believe Fenn was telling the truth on that there. I think most don’t because they sit at home instead of thinking possible and positive is all. I seen alot of home of brown, three of them specific where I went, depending on what one calls hob. Imagination is part of it too.

      • I did not say that Brown is the key. In my opinion:

        The word Brown is part of the second clue. I believe anyone can point to the home of Brown, on the right map.

        I’ve only read of one other person on the internet that correctly identified the home of Brown (on a different website), quite by accident, and then completely missed on the remaining clues and ended up too far away.

        The key word is not in the poem, but is in the book.

        • According to my solve you might be a contender. Going out this Summer? Are you past the Home of Brown yet? I am past the poem and the final clue according to my solve. I only have two questions left, which I can’t know until there. One is: Once I have the thing in my hands, what now? The other question I can’t say, but I have to agree with much of what you said here. According to my solve I’ve been to the Blaze in person this past Summer. Imagine my surprise when I got home and figured out what I did wrong. I went to many locations and turns out at one point I was within 5 feet of the prize! I could’ve gotten closer but I’m not good at balancing myself. Another time I drove around it. But when you hit a fork in the road, which way do you go? One way leads to the OK Corral, and the other leads to Amelia Earhart. What did you expect, Long John Silver?

          • Forrest said, “I have not said that a searcher was closer than 12’ from the treasure. It is not likely that anyone would get that close and not find it.”
            So 5 feet away from the treasure and it was too hard to balance yourself so you just left it there?
            IMO

          • Hi JoJo,
            I like your adamant self-confidence 🙂 You are real searcher.
            I also believe that I found correct hoB but then choose wrong HL and WH. And of course, next spring I will go to correct ones. Thanks to Forrest we all have this “thrill of the chase” during summers (real BOTG) and during winters – when we are re-thinking our solutions and see that we were just 200 feet or even less but then turn to wrong direction 🙂
            I see that season 2020 will be very hot for all searchers. Maybe Forrest will give us some real clue for 10 years anniversary?

          • BroStevo, Yeah, according to my solve- and I could be wrong- I didn’t know I was five feet from it until I got back and re-evaluated my work. I went past one thing on the way in, not knowing what it was. I went over to where it is and saw something that blew me away but I thought it was there related to this other thing. Then I went to the blaze thinking it was there. You iknow “Look quickly down”. I looked down and all around. I found a tree with a blaze on it, but nothing around it but vegetation.

            I went back up to where it actually is and there were some people milling about. I went for a walk past it into a densly overgrown area and I looked up and saw some interesting rocks and stuff. I said “He didn’t walk up there!”. I went back and this guy was standing right near it, although at the time I didn’t know that it was there. I’m staring at something I should have recognized like a fool it didn’t dawn on me. I’m telling you people have been within 500 feet of it, within 20 feet of it, and within 5 feet of it. I know that don’t seem to make sense, but Even non searchers have been that close. Depending on where you went in the area. some folks should have stopped and looked down along the way. Wouldn’t matter, they wouldn’t have seen it but they’d have been looking right at it.

          • Andy S, Thanks for the kind words. Believe me I wasn’t always this confident about it. You wouldn’t belive how many soolves I went through before I got to the one I am on now. My first solve was near Aspen. Great solve. I sitll love it to this day.

            Anyway, according to my solve, heavy loads and water high is the same place as the creek with no paddle. You just have to understand why there are heavy loads and water high. I mean you don’t HAVE to. But it helps you to realize you are in the right palce.

            As for Forrest giving us a “real clue” for the 10th anniversary of the Chase: In my opinion Forrest has been giving way too many real clues. He should stop. I’m only waiting for the next one which should be the song. after that he should let it go. I can’t believe some of the clues he’s given out. He’s shown you all exactly where it is many times. Also, there are some clues that are out there on the edge and he should stick to those. No point giving it away when many of us have put so much time into it and figured stuff out with less clues to work with. On the other hand I’ve given way too many clues regarding my solve myself. What the hell am I thinking? I need to shut up. LOL Good luck and best wishes.

        • Darvcus: “The key word is not in the poem, but is in the book”.

          ff has put a large whole in the theory that the keyword is Not in the poem.. see ff speak about it on a recent podcast with Kpro.

          • JoJo reading your response to BroStevo.
            All I got to say is show me the chest.
            And once Forrest confirms the recovery of the chest.
            I will read the solution with a marvel gaze and cease from my pursuit and know the place with a renewed perspective.

            HDD

          • Jojo im curious, you have true convictions for your solve.. im still exploring all options.. your current solve is in what state may I ask ??

          • To Rogue, I have to reply here cuz there’s no reply button below your comment. Also HighDesert Drifter I replied to you, but it looks like Dal deleted it for some reason. Anyway, Rogue, someone else asked me what state my solve was in before. I’ll tell you what I told them: All I’ll say is that it’s not in the upper half of of Montana according to my solve. And that is actually a big hint for some people believe it or not. If you are one of those people who are looking up there in the Ice, I checked out that solve myself and I passed on it.

  24. A solve of mine way back when , gave me a word that was key…
    “Put in below the home of Brown ” gave me

    home of B-row-n = Row (Row house) , put “in” below it…

    Rowin
    “the end is ever drawing nigh” = Row -wan as in Rowan Tree and Rowan Creek
    The seeds of the Rowan Tree are called “keys”

    And what does all this give you… well my eyes went cross after that and I gave up… needless to say Mr. Fenn’s Treasure is safe from me….

    Seeds of Fraxinus excelsior, popularly known as “keys” or “helicopter seeds”, are a type of fruit known as a samara

  25. In tight focus on a word that is key. What if the key word is simply fuzzy, and needs to be brought into focus. That is, it’s usage is fuzzy. Which words between begin and cease are fuzzy for you? For me it’s:

    halt (is it stop, end, change? is it referring to the water, or feature name?)
    Brown (why capitalized? Proper noun referring to person, place, thing (animal, geo feature?))
    loads (no idea)
    (but, then again, take, down, below, meek, nigh, paddle, high are all fuzzy in context)

    If you could ask for a definitive explanation of any word in the poem, Which would it be?
    For me, it’s halt.
    It would be Brown, but Forrest already said that if he told us who Brown was we would go right to the chest.

    mBG

    • mBG- me Bob Greene here, you are correct i believe in your assessment of the reason Brown is capitalized. the proper noun is Byrd. the capital B is a hint to a name and that name is Byrd. as in Byrd Naturalist cabin. this cabin, like all log cabins is a shade of brown and could be used as a residence as well. this cabin sits at the EXPEDITION TRAILHEAD, put in, at the 10,000 foot level of elevation.
      there. now i have given a possible home of Brown then go right to the chest. in any weather… the chest mentioned in the poem….where heels high…at 5,000 feet in elevation….at an archaeology site….see IN the wood. even a Dodo bird could do it, with kids.

      i think.

    • Then there is that same ol’ “Seeker” question. Are we reading the poem correctly? What if the “r” in Brown is an instruction? Then Brown would just be “own”, not that important anymore….With f, if it’s obvious, then it most likely isn’t obvious…Maybe the key word is somewhere between as and gold? Now which words between there are fuzzy? But I see your gears turning mBG, and, you’re looking within the poem. I still say it’s not so much the word but the placement of the word in the poem. Of course, this keyword thing is like the first clue, you won’t know you have it right until you have the chest…

  26. Knowing the Word that is key will help you get within about 2500 feet of the treasure but there are other ways to get there without the key word. So you don’t really need the key word IMHO so I think it’s all bunch of Voodoo on the part of Forrest.

    • Bec,
      Your comment (s) beg the questions; if you know the word that is key can get you about 2500 ft from the TC… You must know where the TC is at, to be somewhat correct, right?
      So, why are you not in possession of the treasure chest?
      Especially since, has you say; Fenn has already given the store away in the past month.

      Just curious….

      • Thanks for the question Seeker , Because it’s past the Season to retrieve the chest. I had the HOB and Key Word down last summer and was close but I went in the wrong direction (IMO). Now that Forrest released a Gazillion Scrapbooks it has helped me/others considerably . Unless he is just Messing with everyone, then someone will have the chest come spring. Getting close to the location now won’t yield you anything, unless you have the precise numbers. Even then it would be Risky. If people want to try, have at it…

        • There are only two explanations for the onslaught of Scrapbooks: One, is someone emailed him a photo or solve that is close to the chest or Two, he is Tired of all this and wants it found.

          He has put out more SB’s in the last 3 months (than all combined in the last 3 years). You Figure it Out. If these SB’s have information in them (hints), which I believe they do, then the chest will be found by June… IMO And down the stretch they come! Bugle……

          • Hi Bec,
            recently we got another explanation from Forrest:
            Dear Forrest, What is inspiring you to write and share so many Scrapbooks on Dal’s site lately? How many more can we expect? We are all enjoying them. ~ TOTTC Searchers

            “I don’t know Jenny. I’ve almost run out of things to think about. Dal came down and spent a couple of days with me and we talked about a lot of things, and made some videos. He’ll get around to posting them one of these days. When I look at some of my old photos it’s like they pull a trigger and I start remembering again. Not being able to spell is one of the things I like about me. Sometimes when I make a word mistake I like the mistake better than the correct word, so I just laugh at everyone who would correct me, and stay with the mistake. If the reader knows exactly what I mean then heck with everything else.
            Some of the old writing rules have been worn so thin it’s time for some new thinking. I relish in the thought that I’m the only one who can say things my very own way. I’m particularly good with commas. I just throw them in here and there where I feel like it. The English teachers who made the comma rules have no idea when I want my readers to pause in a story. At decision time in one of my sentences I just tell myself to say it like Forrest wants it said. People love to correct me when they think I’m wrong so I just start typing in the dark with gloves on, so to speak. When it comes to errors, a good laugh can be very well understood. Dal has 4 more SBs in the waiting room, and there will be more if I stay healthy. He decides when to post a story and he likes to spread them out. I never press him because I’ve learned that he has a wonderfully polite way of telling me no. f”

          • Believe me, if the SB’s had a major hint or some important chest finding info, Dal would be out searching before we had a chance to question if there are anymore SB’s. Unless of course you think Dal is getting inside info, lol, after almost 9 years of blogging here, I don’t see the guy being like that, Moody, possibly, a cheat, naaaaa. The people that have been here for so long aren’t that smart, we wouldn’t know what to do with advantaged info anyway…IMO.

  27. The Key word could very likely be Brown , just take the time to make a PRO`S and CON`S list , you might agree . IMO

    • But if one makes a List, of pros/cons then there’d be a lot of words…is it pronounced “key?” Prob need to horn in on one.

      Reminds me of my grandpa in his later years when we’d go to visit with…I was just a kid: “grandpa, how ya doing today?”….he’d grumble back: “…good, bad, and indifferent!”

    • Look up Terrence J Brown and note his occupation, where he’s from, and what he’s done in the past.

  28. You are the best Mr.. Oblivious, Hot Canasta goes good with dry Tamales. My best advise is:
    Put the Book (TTOTC) in Chronological order and keep in Mind Forrest’s Fondest Year was 1943… use your imagination !! Dates are Important. Important literature should give you the starting Point inorder to find WWWH… IMMHOP

    • I can probably guess why 1943 was a good year. But watching my Ps and Qs, isn’t that like … antagonist to freedom?

      • Mr. OB
        What novel in Important Literature gets you to a Place where Forrest wrote about in TTOTC. That is your starting point. There is only one true starting point and it’s not WWWH. Once you find the starting point, you can then find WWWH, IMO of coarse.

      • Yes, You have to think and imagine you are 13… If I was Forrest and 13 where would I be and what would I be doing? It takes a kid to find the treasure, Duh! In my most humble Opinion.

  29. Forrest Fenn has made sure it is beyond our time getting his bracelet no matter your brain or your smartness our intention to get his bracelet back or fullfill his wishes it is beyond us in time this reality will prove to be true unless your willing to crest the edge

  30. happy hunting all be safe out there but think of Forrest and his words don.t go where a 79 or 80 year old could not go in two trips with his weight in gold OK not that heavy but you understand its ts in a safe place no where is safe if you don’t think. take your life as more important see with your eyes and your mind be responsible for yourself and be safe out there

  31. dont be a randy and hang yourself before thinking it out there is no mental reason for that i’m done merry Christmas all an god bless america and all its people and the brave that let us live our lives in freedom’ ty Sir for being a part of that. for one and all im grateful.

  32. life gets hard from time to time but we most live it best we can dont ever give up hope is all we have, dont give up.

  33. Good morning to all and Happy Holidays.
    Best wishes to all.

    Being a longtime searcher, and participant in this blog. I have made several observations.
    One of the things I seldom see discussed it the way the poem is constructed.
    Forrest uses symbolic descriptions of the objects associated with the place the chest is hidden in. Yes, I realize that what I am conveying here may lead to a solution. Alas, my age and physical condition will not allow me to continue with the idea that I could recover the chest.

    My second observation is that all of the clues point to one area. Yes, they all are symbolic descriptions of a singular place. The searcher that comes to an understanding of what objects these symbolic references are pointing to will be the person that will recover the chest.
    Personally I like Montana, why I am not going to say. I’ll leave that for you all to figure out.
    My third observation is that we are stuck in a rut. It’s time to try to find another way of looking at the poem and SB’s

    Disclaimer: As always this is mho

    HDD

    • Hi HDD: so you like Montana now. I’m curious when you made the switch to that state, and if you’re willing to say why? (As you know, I’ve only searched in Montana, so I’m not faulting your change in thinking. 😉 A year ago you ~seemed~ to be implying that you favored New Mexico or southern Colorado:
      https://dalneitzel.com/2018/11/22/where-warm-waters-halt-14/#comment-722481

      I’d like to inquire further about one point in your post:

      “My second observation is that all of the clues point to one area.”

      Your statement is of course true, no matter how spread out the clues are — after all, the Rocky Mountains are “one area.” But I gather you mean a relatively small area. I don’t find fault in that assumption, provided you’re not talking something really small like “all within the area of a city block.”

    • It was just yesterday that was thinking of distances of the clues as a comment was made by BEC saying – Knowing the Word that is key will help you get within about 2500 feet of the treasure.

      So I did a point to point “as the crow flies” and the walking the two trails distance from the starting point to water high. Since this is my last clue solve for now.
      This is what I came up with.

      (ATCF) WWWH to WH – appr. 1.23 miles or 6,471’

      (Walking the trails) – appr. 1.4 miles or 7,398’
      Difference of appr. 927’
      [So one afternoon two trips – 5.6 miles]

      So the “word that is key” that helps in a hint with that of wwwh, so my distance is somewhat farther then BEC.
      So what’s your distance HDD?

      Bur

      • Bur,

        From my estimation: No place for the Meek to the actual treasure spot, is Roughly 1500 Feet. 1500 x 4 = 6,000 Feet Total …. I believe Forrest could still retrieve the treasure, if I’m correct. It’s a walk in the Park. IMO

        • BEC,

          My idea of “no place for the meek” is right near the “put in” place. Reason is, there is a off beaten trail off to the left of the main canyon down trail which is well travel and more secure in that sense. This off beaten trail disappears into the mountain side, and one traveling on it knows not what lies ahead. Except me and a few other brave souls.
          By the way from this “put in point” it’s appr 800’ to 900’ of trail waking up to water high.

          Thanks BEC for your comment and good luck.

          Bur

          • Hi Bur;

            Are you sure we are not in the same area? Every measurement you give comes close to my measurements. Your Water High seems a bit higher than mine, but not by much. 🙂 JDA

          • Wouldn’t that be funny if we meet on the trail somewhere. Of course you wouldn’t know it was me but I think I would recognize you to some degree.

            No JDA, I know we are not in the same area, but there might be someone who is, because I have talked with a few people in my big picture search area, and if they put 2 and 2 together they might get 5. LOL. Had to laugh because I know of at least two searchers (one use to post here) in the beginning of the chase that had the same wwwh and canyon down, but they went way to far down that canyon to other places so they must have come up with 5.

            Thanks for your comment JDA.

            Bur

          • Yes, it would be funny to meet on the trail – but as you say, I am sure that we are not in the same area. Would be nice to meet you anyway – 🙂 JDA

        • these distances that are being referred to, begs the question: Why would ff need to take two trips? why would ff mention ‘several hours’, and ‘afternoon’ time like spans? if the trip only took 5 or 15mins instead?

          remember ff being in better shape at the age of 79/80 than most..
          ~42lbs is nothing at those distances for an 80yr old in ff’s shape at the time.

          I don’t believe ff would mislead in time spans in this way, it is more his style to not mention something, than to mislead.

          • Well Writis, wait until you get to be 79 or 80 and then read your comment and do two trips.
            The trail going up into the mountain had me stopping a few times to get my breath, but then again i’m a flatlander too, and I’m a few years younger then Forrest at that time. Heck he might have stopped by the creek where he put a Dr. Pepper to cool and sat and ate a sandwich. Also who said hiking trails are easy especially with a backpack full of gold.

            My distance and timeline fits pretty good to me.

            Good luck,

            Bur

          • Probably just trickery with numbers, an afternoon sounds like a good doable timeframe, as opposed to saying a weekend. Some of my treasure trips are in weeks and nobody seems to want to go for weeks.

          • Writis – I believe Forrest was wearing a day pack, carrying 20-22lbs each trip. First with the treasure contents, then with the bronze chest. Wearing waders to cross the Madison River at a relatively shallow point, during the late Summer season. I believe his fly fishing staff and felt bottomed wading boots made those two crossings possible. And doing that with some time in between meant that he could be stealth about what he was doing. Well, that and the fly fishing rod he was probably carrying.

            I watched an old man, named Fritz, do one return crossing last August. He had to sit down, because he said he was really hung over from drinking the night before in West Yellowstone. Forrest most certainly did.not do that on the night before he hid the bronze chest.

            All IMO.

          • I spent 5 days and 4 nights hiking all over the wilderness with a backpack that weighed 75 pounds or more. I am sixty plus. Forrest could do that easily prob in his sleep. Also one of the roughest places I’ve ever been. I tell people to think about the most common trail to go hiking . That’s kindy garton playground.

          • Hi Lisa: it couldn’t have been late summer unless Forrest hid the treasure in late August 2009. I firmly believe he hid it in 2010, and if he did, it couldn’t have been ~late~ summer. The chest was already hidden by the time Forrest had lunch with Irene Rawlings in Santa Fe on Tuesday, July 13th (plus or minus 1 day). You can listen for yourself in Irene’s podcast:
            https://vimeo.com/280581878

          • Jasonhall- treasure hunting for weeks nobody wants to do? I’ve gone treasure hunting for months and more than a year at times. Not lately though but sure wish I could, Best times I’ve ever had.!

          • Lisa C.: alright, if you can’t listen to the podcast, I’ll give you the relevant facts.

            Irene mentions having lunch with Forrest in July 2010, and during the lunch Forrest tells her he has “… hidden a treasure box – a box full of gold – and was just finishing up a memoir with clues on how to find it. The idea had come to him in the middle of many sleepless nights when he was recovering from cancer treatments: chemo and radiation.”

            Further investigation on part revealed that Irene was in Santa Fe on Tuesday, July 13th, for a book signing at 5 pm at Garcia Street Books, so it’s likely that the lunch was on that day, or a day either side of it. (Irene was on Mary-Charlotte’s Santa Fe Radio Café show by phone on Friday, July 9th, 2010, talking about her new book “Sisters on the Fly: Caravans, Campfires, and Tales from the Road.”)

            Since Irene’s account predates Doug Preston’s, it is the more restrictive of the two.

          • Zap – Thank you for that detailed synopsis and assessment!

            I appreciate your fine work. My fly fishing librarian friend and I crossed the heavy current of the Madison River to my hidey spot at Baker’S Hole on Memorial Day Weekend of 2019. From the opposite side that Old Fritz used. I have hypothesized previously that Forrest may have chosen the Summer Solstice timeframe of Father’s Day of 2010 to hide the bronze chest. William Marvin Fenn did park his airstream at Baker’S Hole to camp. My guess is he chose the idyllic campsite #61 there. It is a short walk through the willows to where Forrest directed that “Fool’s Gold” article writer; to Forrest’s swimming hole.

  34. Good morning zaphod73491,

    For me, it became a matter of looking back over all of the SB’s Forrest has posted.
    They follow a consistent theme for me. Ok, so I will lay it out there for ya. Montana is full of history.
    Montana aligns with N. and South Dakota, home of Sitting Bull.
    Montana is also known for several important battles and the Trail of Luis and Clark. ( The Corp of Discovery ) A little known fact is there is a place known as Buffalo jump ( Look up Montana buffalo jump read and look at the map.) Just noted there are two locations, I like the one related to hunting.

    My reasoning for letting go of N.M and Colo was a matter of time. Forrest rises early in the morning. He has stated that he hid the chest in one afternoon, knowing that Forrest is a thoughtful man a question arose in my mind ” could Forrest have flown from N.M to Montana in 5 hrs and pick up a rent a car? A very possible scenario. Forrest’s home was in Montana up until he joined the air force.

    I think what I have posted here will trigger plenty of thoughts.
    Best wishes.

    HDD

    • Hi High, A Q. for you….. do you know where FF lived between the time he left Texas A&M (probably September of 1949) and when he joined the AF (3 months after the start of the Korean war in1953.)

      In Dec. of 1953 he married Peggy, so I assume he was back in Temple then….. but those 3+ years are a mystery, and possibly when he found the place the “is dear” to him. I always found it curious that the Stout Men chapter had a full page photo of him & Donnie at Grayling Creek. … was that a hint about durable friendship, or about a location.
      Thanks. OS2

      • Phhh… More questions for investigating, maybe a cow link. This might take months to investigate. Gonna need metal detector, fly rod, and really good excuse to get out all summer long.

      • Hi OS2,
        That is a good question, we know Forrest and Skippy went looking for Luis and Clark trail. We know Forrest worked in Wyoming during his teen years. We know his parents owned a lodge in Yellowstone.
        In my limited span of knowledge, this is where things get fuzzy for me.

        I know Luis and Clark followed the Yellowstone River to the west coast and back. Still researching if they found the parkland in their travels.

        HDD

        • HDD, I think you may write faster than you think…. It was Forrest & Donnie in the L&C chapter…. and you better read -up some on the true L&C route. They didn’t follow the Yellowstone River to the coast. And coming back, they split route. Good Luck.

          • Which begs the question of which route. They wintered quite a while on that journey as well if I recall my reading. That would change yet explain volumes of the tc magic box hunt.!

  35. Hi Bur,
    Until I am confident of what WWWH is, distance is irrelevant at this point.
    What I can tell you is that the first stanza of the poem has hidden in its word meanings a few interesting things. Which Forrest has pointed to in some of his SB’s. For instance: are you aware that an “as ” is an ancient coin with a value of about 21/4 cents?

    How that relates to the hidey spot is to be determined.
    Here is an idea for ya, I think that the distance does not come into play until a person is standing where Forrest had his car parked. I.E The put in spot. In relationship to the keyword, I believe that word meanings play a very large role. Forrest is a true wordsmith, the words he has used to build the poem have a common meaning and sub meanings. Imho searchers often overlook the other possible meanings of the words Forrest has used.

    I started using 3×5 cards to record the meanings of the words in the first stanza. Unfortunately, I was forced to stop. Too many days of arthritic pain beyond what any human being should be asked to endure. Today is a good day. So I am able to relate my thoughts to all here.

    Best of luck in your search

    HDD

    • HDD;

      Sorry for your arthritic pain. If you can type to post – Why not put your definitions on your computer using Word or even in a database that can be searched? Scrolling might be easier on you than thumbing through 3 X 5 cards – Just a suggestion – JDA

    • Hi HDD,

      I agree that distance is irrelivent from where WWWH and though some numbers may come into play (there may be a possibility of distance of “straight as a crow flies” could be applied) after parking your car at the put in spot. From there it could possibly be a few miles or possibly less depending on the amount of trips you take to recover the treasure and use some of the numerical hints provided to locate the treasure.

      I did check out the location of my hiding spot a few weeks back ( more like an investigative search to get the lay of the land ( as anyone that has been BOTG before in person is way different than looking at a map or pic online) There was a reasonable amount of snow on the ground and I felt confident that I am in the correct location after hiking the area to attempt a late spring return. As Forrest says “you may be able to retrieve the treasure in winter if you know the exact spot” For all searchers having the proper gear is mandatory! Putting 42 lbs in your pack and hiking in snowy conditions is not wise. Even going with a friend (to lighten the load) could potentially be difficult in those conditions.

      I believe Forrest’s special place has of course many special meanings to him and possibly of a simpler time that he may have wished having grown up in.

      For now we all have the winter to “tune” our solves before heading out in late spring. Wishing you all a very Happy Holiday season and time of enjoying your friends and family and a Healthy and “Prosperous” New Year!

      i

      • Icefarmer;

        You said the following: As Forrest says “you may be able to retrieve the treasure in winter if you know the exact spot”

        You put the comment in quotes, and you say “As Forrest says”.

        This is NOT correct. Forrest never said what you said he says.

        The actual quote is: “If you know precisely where it is you can probably retrieve it in any weather.”

        http://Mysteriouswritings.com/Weekly-words-frpm-Forrest-Fenn-on-the-thrill-of-the-chase/

        Please be careful when “Quoting” Forrest, when you are not actually quoting him – Thanks – 🙂 JDA

          • Clint: read the last sentence of Forrest answer.

            MW 6Q (2/4/2018) Q6: “I was thinking the other day about how exciting it would be for someone in the future to find your buried bronze jars; not only to prize the small items hidden inside, but to read ‘Imagination is more important than knowledge’ (which is on one of the jars). I find your desire to leave things behind for people to discover admirable. No matter whether I find an old valuable relic or unique shaped stone when out metal detecting or on a search, I love them; and so it is easy for me to imagine how awesome finding one of your jars will be.

            “But this also got me thinking about Imagination and Knowledge, and how best to solve the poem. You’ve said to marry the clues to geographic locations and treat the poem like a map. But I wonder do you feel a person with ONLY imagination or ONLY knowledge is more apt to solve your poem? For instance, a Kid living on the East Coast might have an amazing imagination, but not much knowledge about the Rockies.
            “How much knowledge do you think a normal East Coast Kid has to have to find your treasure? Or is Imagination enough. As an example, would an East Coast Kid have to become familiar with the western ways, languages, and other manners of the Rockies?”

            Forrest: “It may be a while before my buried jars and bells are discovered because there is no visible sign that I had been there. None are near populated areas, and landscapes change over time with growing vegetation and blowing leaves. But I am comfortable with the thought that eventually all 8 will be found.

            “It helps to know something about Rocky Mountain geography when making plans to search for my treasure. Rocking chair ideas can lead one to the first few clues, but a physical presence is needed to complete the solve. Google Earth cannot help with the last clue.”

          • Thanks Zap for answering Clint’s question. I do not think that I would have been able to find that one. Merry Christmas/ Holliday Season to all – 🙂 JDA

  36. Ive been doing this as long as most here and everytime i go out I have a solve that fits the elements of the clues however I’d ask everyone this — Can you connect your location to Forrest being there and why is it special to him. I have seen many really good solves that Im not sure Forrest wouldve have seen first.

    • David since we have all winter, about 5 more months, to consider or “Winter Thoughts” lets consider this about the Word that is Key, please view SC Book 241, consider my suggestion about crossing that line of Itty Biddies and view the 3rd pic, which is supposedly 880 dollar coins in an old chest of ff’s liking, what do we see in there? Do a right click copy on the 3rd pic and download it so you are able to rotate and enlarge the central coin, and tell me which assinated president that is in the middle of the box? Make an X on the center of that box and can you tell me why that president’s monument is 880 yards from where I filmed my video at the center of Winter Thoughts article? See Winter Thoughts by Tom Terrific and then look at all the Scrapbooks posted in March, 2017 after my article and why was the Train Bell and Tower posted by ff, TT does not make this stuff up, it is possible that for the past 8 years of my research I could be wrong about many details, but WWWH and SC Book 237 is a Wash Basin, now look at how it was repaired? Can ff draw a doodle of ideas that come into focus now?

      5 months from now reminds me of a song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2L_OyS21lM

      TT

      • I see it clearly more clearly now and i need to sit back and gather my thoughts and reply. It could be President Garfield assuming there is a full beard – its hard to see it but there have only been 4 assassinated presidents so I ruled out the other 3. McKinley kind of looked like the coin as he had a bigger head.

    • Wish some interviewer would ask FF if there is in the poem or book, a hint or clue that relates to why the hidey place is “dear” to him…. I recall him using the word “dear”.

      • Hello OS2. It would be a bit ironic if the “dear” place is where he wrote a letter to Mrs. Fenn. Consider how one starts a letter.

        • pdenver, I’ve always been tantalized by that sentence. And by all those pies eaten under a tree or broken in half on 4th and French ……. sorry, I’m leaping over all kinds of dubious links. But thanks for your input… I hadn’t thought of that one.

        • pdenver – I agree! I think Cynthia does, too, per her story, “The Madison River” here on HOD from April of 2018:

          “But as I got older, I realized there were many moments to remember, like the time I sat under a tree on the Madison River and watched the osprey dive for fish as I wrote a note for my wife…” The chapter concludes with the sentence “And when my tackle box is closed at last and the cadis hatch is gone, I will rest through all of time and space, pillowed down and scented in, with a smile that comes from remembering the special things that brought me to that final place, one of which was knowing Peggy was there, somewhere, waiting for me.”

          It seems to me that last sentence in the chapter titled Flywater just described his “special place”, his final resting place… a place that is private and dear to him… and where he ultimately hid the treasure chest. He mentions Peggy… is it where he sat under a tree along the Madison and wrote her that note? Is the underlying message of his poem his final love letter to Peggy?

          Now go read “The Answers I Already Know” in that “Fool’s Gold” article on Dal’s Media Page. The girls went into the willows to change into their swimsuits at Forrest’s swimming hole. He told Geoffrey to sit under a tree, eating a sandwich, to watch the Eagles and Ospreys and the fish rising to mosquitoes and the insect hatch.

          What page was that pic of Peggy in her swimsuit on in TTOTC or TFTW, again??

          • Lisa – The chapter Flywater was initially published in reference to the Firehole River in the Bozeman newspaper. How often does Forrest discuss the Firehole in TTOTC? I like the Madison River but cannot overlook Forrest’s initial reference to another river for his caddis hatch.

      • Hi OS2: Forrest was given the opportunity to explain that this past spring in a workshop between himself and a bunch of kids, but he chose to punt:

        Q20: “Why did you hide the treasure in the place you did?”
        A20: “Because I wanted you to go out looking for it”

        Earlier, there was also a MW Featured Question (8/19/2016): “Mr. Fenn, you have been quoted as saying the treasure chest is hidden in ‘A very special place.’ If a searcher should be fortunate enough to solve the poem, will he/she see the location as special place (by your definition) also, or will your reasoning be forever known only to you? ~ Thanks BW”

        FF: “I don’t know how to answer your question BW. People are so different. A writer from Manhattan came to see me. It was her first time out of the city. When I asked how she liked New Mexico she said, ‘There’s a sky,’ and she wasn’t kidding. At home she never thought to look up. She was thrilled when I showed her a cow. f”

        Sounds like the location isn’t some grandiose spot that has unambiguous universal appeal.

        • thanks Zap, I hadn’t heard any of that before. Sounds like the ‘dear’ or ‘special’ of the place may not be its existential appeal, or at least, not extraordinarily so. May be in the eye of the beholder, or maybe his heart.

          • OS2 Yes Maybe in the eye of the beholder, ! I think the place goes beyond extraordinary and any treasure hunter or person would and will recognize it instantly, As such a special and dear place, IMO.

        • Hi OS2: that’s my assumption, too. I think the place is special to him for personal reasons that we’re not privy to, and possibly not something that even the eventual finder will know.

        • According to my solve, it certainly is. I went where it is in my solve and it was breathtaking. I wished I wasn’t there to look for the treasure so I could just be on vacation. I love that place. It was a treasure just to go there. After I get the treasure I’m going to hang out a while and take some photos and stuff. I love that place so much. The blaze is so awesome in the morning. I almost couldn’t believe it. But there are other spots in my solve as well that are also incredible. If you are a city slicker and go to my solve, then you will be happy you went. But I’m not going to tell you where it is. LOL

          • JoJo – At least tell us when you’re going back.

            Can’t be in my area… until a really good thaw.

    • David – Not at all for me. I think that the hidey place is not a place that Forrest has plainly spoken about, and therefore also not the important tie he has to that place. I think that the biography in the chest WILL include that information, like a missing chapter in one of his books.

      He may have alluded to the hidey spot in any numbers of subtle hints, but I think that is all he has shared. IMHO.

  37. Hi TT
    You better add a month and a half,l was there June 12 this year still 3 to 4
    ft of snow in some places.Clint

  38. The hidey place may be special and dear not only to FF but to all of us if:

    Special really means spacial, or a large open area.

    And dear really means deer, or a place where many deer come.

    FF purposely misspells words to accomplish his purposes, one of which is deflection.

    My search area is a very spacial or spacious area and there are nearly always deer there.

  39. JoJo,
    I followed the links for that site. And researched it a little more.
    To be honest I get this gut feeling that it is more snake oil. And believe me, I would try it if it was not for the price of the product. Over the years I have tried many products that promise results.
    To my dismay, they turned out to be less then what I was lead to expect.

    Currently, I use horse linament for fast relief when my pain levels exceed my ability to mentally suppress it. I do appreciate your thoughtfulness. Thank you for posting and thank you Dal for allowing it to stand long enough so I could have a look-see.

    HDD

  40. Jasonhill,
    Let’s not talk about old ppl. I refuse to admit I am aging.
    For me it works like a charm, the green gel is the best.

    HDD

  41. There seems to be a lack of interest in discussing “The Key Word” here. For what it’s worth
    (and please don’t ask me to say too much), I think the “word that is key” (per FF) contains at least one vowel, but not more than 3 of them. As always, all in my opinion.

  42. I believe it’s not the “key word” we are in search of but that there is “a word that is key”. Very different things. Each word has been crafted over many years. It’s like how I write. Using more words than necessary and then re-reading and editing or using a more descriptive word in place of a few. Helps prevent diarrhea of the mouth. Invokes thought.

    • I haven’t been to a town called It.
      I haven’t been to a town called pray.
      Good luck solving the poem.

  43. FF said “only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

    We are solving a riddle within a poem so I believe FF is giving us riddles to solve within his scrapbooks and other statements like the one above…… “in tight focus” is the clue here to the word that is key. To me it does not get any easier than this: “in tight focus” = eye = I

    “I” is the key word

    Let’s look at it with another statement from FF about the key word. “The key word is contentment. If you can find it, everything else has already fallen in place.” This one is a little harder of a riddle………”if you can find it” = who is you = “I”

    Am “I” completely wrong in this way of thinking?

    • That’s an interesting angle on the problem. Folks have alluded to this in the past but the talk has fizzled quite quickly. Eye, I, It have all been tossed around and around.
      Your last; * Let’s look at it….. “The key word is contentment. If you can find it, everything else has already fallen in place.” I’ve always looked at that comment from a different place entirely in terms of the possibility that Fenn has slipped some hints or answers right under our noses. What if…. He means exactly what he said there in that comment? The key word equates to contentment… feeling content that you’ve figured/discovered it[key word]. If you can find *IT* [know what/where IT is]… everything else makes sense already.
      The concept of *what is It* is not a new one for certain. There is a topic page for It here at Dal’s. The interest ebbs and flows like many others. Just another What if…

    • “It is interesting to know that a great number of people are out there searching. Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key. The treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated.” FF

      When I look at the answer in its entirety, it becomes clearer from said perspective. We have ” a great number” ‘of people out there searching’. We have, “many are giving serious thought” ‘to the clues in my poem’.!Then we have, in same second sentence , second half-“but only a few” (clues) ‘are in tight focus with a word that is key’. Then we have, “the treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated”.

      The last sentence is said because of ” a great number of people” ‘are out there searching’ and “many are giving serious thought” ‘to the clues in my poem’. That’s why he said he thinks the treasurer may be found sooner than he anticipated in the last sentence. Not because he means “few” being as in -Searchers are in tight focus. He means but “few clues” are in tight focus with a word that is key .The “many” and ” great number” are referring to-Searchers. That was a very good splice redirection of flow to camouflage his meaning here-in the second part of the second sentence.

      It’s the “clues” that are being referenced as ” but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key”.

      His latest Q&A could be interpreted as support of this theory. IMO .

      From KPRO and Cows video:

      Start at 38:54
      “Q-Do you still believe that there is a word that is key that searchers should focus on”?
      FF-“Yes”

      Q- “is the key word in the poem?

      FF-“There is one word that will help you more than some of the others…

      Q-“in the poem”?

      FF- “in the poem….but you gotta have all of them….one is not going to take you there”.

      In my opinion.

      • Searchers would do well to take heed of your words, grasshopper. Very good interp and well written, Tesla.

        Good Luck to you………..loco

          • Hi Alsetenash
            Thanks for your post up there Alset
            It was something I already new but
            when you get confirmation from
            Forrest it sure makes you feel good.
            Clint

    • “Ay Yai Yai” You guys couldn’t see the broad side of a Barn. I will give you the key word.. I’ve said it before, but No one seems to get it. I will give it to you, but you have to figure out HOW it can be used (KEY). “in tight focus” means to HOME in on something. We HOME in on Brown. OK, also The key word equates to contentment. Forrest said, in SB 212 “I am reminded of other experiences that similarly favored me during my gallery years. But none of them were as good as being at HOME in the friendly surroundings of my family.” Where is Forrest Most Content, when he is at his HOME. HOME is the key word. Once you know what the HOME is (in HOB) then you will be within walking distance to the treasure. It doesn’t get anymore KEY than that!! Look up the word HOME and you will know what I’m talking about. Good luck if you think the Key Word is “I” , that will get you nowhere! IMO of Coarse.

      • BEC , I agree 99.9 % with you but with the .01 % that is left I will have to say that the key word is Brown , IMO , I believe that we all pretty much know what home means in the poem , but none of us know what Brown means or is . FF said that if he told what HOB was that you could walk right to the treasure , so for me , and I may be WAY off track , Brown is the key word . HOME is #2 on my list . IMO

      • But JPE: only “a few” searchers are (or were at the time) in tight focus with the most obvious word in the whole poem?? Is it that the rest of searchers are in lousy focus with that word?

        With supposedly hundreds of thousands of searchers hacking away at the poem for almost a decade, not one of its 111 unique words could have escaped the focus of a thousand people. This tells me one of two things: *tight focus* is what’s critical, or (more sensibly) Forrest’s “word that is key” is not one of these 111 words.

        • To Zap’s point above,

          Or it’s a combination of some small number of important words that create something.

          • FD,
            I believe you may be closer to Forrest’s intended meaning with his “a word that is key” comment.

            My best guess is there is a poem phrase that is key that, depending on the part of the poem we’re currently analyzing, determines the specific word that is key within the key phrase. I’ve long held the belief F embedded persistence in the poem, and that the discerned meanings within an earlier phrase mantain some level of influence over latter phrases.

            Too, I believe our thoughts must be colored with the correct hue to lead us to the intended relatively small area – or is it a relatively short path?

            I will add one final thought: I also happen to believe F’s misquote of Eliot is a hint that, if considered somewhat metaphorically, is helpful in the poem’s latter phrases – specifically, the ones that get us to the endpoint.

            Obviously, this is pure speculation and probably gobbledygook, so FWIW.

            An early Merry Christmas to all.
            (original) Joe

          • I’m now thinking (based on what you said) that the “word
            that is key” may be a word comprised of a small number
            of words. An example of this (but not my favorite one)
            would be structured like “addiction”, comprised of “ad” and
            “diction”. I don’t think that the “word that is key” is part of
            the poem. As always, all part of my opinion.

        • Zaphod , thanks for the reply , here’s what i believe , when those earlier searchers sent e-mail to FF and told him where they were and probably how they got there , FF not only knew they were 200ft from chest but also that to get to that place where they were ,was not ALL BY ACCIDENT. I believe those searchers are the few that were in tight focus with a word that is key . FF in a small way was dropping a hint to us all that A FEW searchers had figured out what HOB is , which i think is Brown , if we can be in tight focus with Brown , we can walk right to treasure . IMO OH , FF said kids have an advantage over us adults , CRAYONS

      • BEC, I’m at the barn.
        Contentment => HOME

        In addition to ff’s HOME in the state you choose…

        Another way to look at the letters in home is to rearrange them to yield OHM-E
        Ohm – E (electrical current is expressed with an omega)
        https://www.britannica.com/science/ohm

        Heavy loads are overhead electrical wires IMO.

  44. “Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus. with…
    a word that is key.”

    ff did not say…with a “key word” he said a word THAT IS…KEY. The key word is “KEY”

    Yes, Key in the poem as is “Keys” When in grid format. Guessing you need to determine why to solve Forrest’s poem.

    • So true 42. There are only two possibilities that it can be. Either the word “that” or the word “key”.
      It’s either, a word that happens to be the word “key”, or it’s a word “that”, which so happens to be key.
      So everyone, it’s either:
      A word “that”, is key, or,
      f is telling us that this word is “key”.
      The word “that” is in the poem.
      Also, a possible form of the word “key” is also in the poem, (line 9 from right to left).

  45. I think the key word is – N-igh ~ T-igh-t focus.
    My second choice is -Wise.
    Ya, there could be a few in the poem and all are needed IMO.

    • What about the word N-ight and the woodsman looking @ the moon- Also think about the shadow contest = Night Moon Shadow= Shadow cast by the moon light- Bring a flashlight and a sandwich !

      • The word – N-ight and Night isn’t in the poem unless you mess with it.
        Nigh is in the poem.

  46. Oh Pinyon Nuts! By Dawn’s Early Light…. The Don… Don is the key.

    Fenn predicted not only Donald winning, but also his motto MAGA, MArvel GAze!

    lol

    Seriously, though…. if this particular word isn’t in the poem, as previously suggested, then that word is Flutterby.

  47. I always figured the word isn’t in the poem….sort of. Take the line “So WHY Is IT…ok…
    Then Y is it, WH is “KEY. WHISKEY
    “why is it whiskey ?” That would be the distillation process..You know…where warm waters halt.

    • Forrest sorta said the “word that is key” is in the poem, that is, there is one word that will help you more than the others, but you can’t discount any of them. This happened in the latest interview by kpro, et tal.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmMX_z_mgFk at 52:00+

      BTW. it’s interesting (to me. anyway) that Forrest said you begin the chase by getting in your car and going to the first clue.

      mBG

      • How else can you get to the first clue? How is getting in your car a big deal. Unless you want to walk there or ride a bike. Even if he flew from Santa Fe he still has to get in a car to get to the airport. No revelation here, if he said he uses toilet paper to wipe his butt, is that an amazing revelation?

          • True, I believe in that particular interview he is being obvious and just casually states the obvious. Like no new revelation here, How do you think I left my house kind of comment. It was a stupid Question, very open ended and you can take it with a grain of salt IMO. It doesn’t help you find WWWH. The question was asked because the searchers wanted to nail him down to New Mexico. He gave them a stupid answer that they deserved. Next time let me interview him, IMO

          • Not a physical presence but that the first clue is a geographical location. One of many.

          • According to my solve, you don’t have to be at the first clue if you know where it is. But to get where you are going at one point you will have to go through it. You don’t have to stop. Most people don’t. But you do have to go through the first clue physically to get to the next place. That’s at one point in the solve. There are other points inthe solve where this may not be the case. On paper for example. As you solve the poem, you can just go past it as long as you know where it is. Like on a map. It’s just a way point.

  48. WWWH = Warm waters flow into the gulf of mexico. Where do they stop ?? At the top or near the top . that’s where they halt and start the flow process all the way in the canyon down. Or you litery have temp of warm water would make it a warm spring flowing into cold water therefor making it cold. What else is there not much. The clouds maybe.

    • Woody, I think warm water may mean flowing water regardless of it’s temperature or to our human sense of touch. At 31° it would be cold to our touch sense, but still warm enough to not halt. Just my guess but it seems to eliminate all the variables about spring water temps.

        • A little further of my thinking style… there are probably few places where water stays frozen year around, (places accessible to a searcher in a car) so the question of temperature is a red herring, Halt must mean where the flowing waters collect, like a basin or lake. Just my way of thinking. Good luck.

      • Shucks- That just put a damper on my solve . All the water froze and halted. No more water until winters over!

    • Maybe.
      Rows and flows of angel hair
      And ice cream castles in the air
      And feather canyons every where……

  49. if the key word is chest how would this knowledge change things?
    i mean lets suppose for a minite that the word chest does not refer to the bronze box. the chest mentioned in the poem is simply a chest by definition, a large wooden box that is to be taken, as in a photo. how does this change the game? does this explain why the bronze box of goodiies hasnt been found? because searchers have wrongly assumed that the chest mentioned in the poem is the same as the bronze box when it is possible that they are not the same thing. if so the word chest is certainly key.
    Forrest said the poem leads to the end of his rainbow and the treasure….treasure being the great outdoors and the end of his rainbow, well only Forrest knows what that is but he never says the poem will lead to the bronze box.
    more caution is essential.

    i think.

    • Bob I think that the rainbow is just a clue . you know how a rainbow curves in the middle and does not touch the ground . well to me it means no botg till you get to the other end . but that’s just me , good luck —- frank

  50. I’m unclear as why all the to-do over a word that is key. It appears to me he nailed it with the example covered in TTOTC. Plus; it goes hand in hand with one of his even weightier hints.

    I wouldn’t thumb your nose at the idea until you let it take you to another dimension in your mind.

    Marry X-Mass!

    • If you don’t have it there are a couple of clues at the end in my solve that you won’t understand. You can still find it without it but it’s waaaaaay easier when you have the word that is key figured out. But once you get the key figured out, you still have to use the key. And that is a major pain in the seat of your pants. Put it;s not impossible. Once you know what you are supposed to do, it’s just a matter of putting the time into it til you get the result. At that point, you will learn some really interesting things that help. But it’s still not going to tell you the location! I was sooo upset. I thought it would be obvious once I got to that point. I almost gave up. Keep working on it. Just bang away at it until you figure something out. Good luck.

  51. Amy, I feel your grief. I’ve since realized the need to refrain from humor… it got me in trouble.

    But I’ll agree with you.

    Although not considered as important by many, “PEACE” is an extremely viable word and intricately envelopes the poem’s substance. If not (and like all other the words), FF would not have included it.

  52. I imagine it didn’t seem “peaceful” or “positive” to Forrest when it happened.

    Good luck in your solving and searching.

  53. Merry Xmas everyone,
    Steer clear of the key word, it is a burden and a curse. It’s inclusion in the Chase is controversial and like Voldemort in Harry Potter, it is the word that will go unspoken.

    As a compromise I give you the other two key words from the chase, in hope you won’t pursue the third,
    WINCHESTER gulch
    OURAY

    Take care, it is a big, dangerous country out there, Pearl

      • OAR Up Your
        YOUR A for effort
        title = ROY gold = AU
        if YOU ARe
        So hear me all and listen good from True Grit filmed in and around Ouray and Ridgway

      • Hi NWT’
        If you are still pondering Ouray as a destination, here is the basic solve..
        1. WWWH = downstream of Ouray hot springs
        2. Canyon down = north down canyon
        3. put in below HOB = road opposite Ouray poo ponds
        4. No place for the meek = Uncompaghre NP, meeker massacre + it is a dangerous road with massive drop-offs
        5. I sever drawing knife = Cutler Creek
        6. to seek. the A I already know (anagram containing the keyword)
        7. Look quickly down your quest two CC’s = Cow Creek
        8. Tarry scant = black spars(e), marvel gaze = gravel maze
        9. found the blaze has double meaning a) large red rock formation above cow creek resembling a fire b) found the belays

        Good luck

        • Pearl, I like your solve but ask yourself one question. Why would Forrest choose that location above others? What makes that place special to Forrest? If you cannot answer those questions, then you are using things Forrest said, to make your own puzzle. I see many people picking One liners and constructing solves around them, its like starting in the middle of the poem. All in my opinion. I lived in Gunnison and know the area well. Why would he want to leave his Body in Colorado?

  54. Just to toss in my opinion… I don’t think Brown is the key word. I think it could be solved without it, in my opinion. To me, Brown refers to Brown trout, and “…below the home of Brown” simply says that you need to look below the part of the river in which Brown trout live. More mysterious to me is the “blaze”. Mr. Fenn says that the treasure might remain hidden for a very long time, so I don’t think his “blaze” would be something that would deteriorate like a mark on a tree. He also mentions being “wise” to find the blaze. Most blazes you’d simply have to be lucky, not “wise” to find. I had a pretty good guess, but then it was said that the chest wasn’t underwater and that screwed it up. Too far for this old man to check on anyway…

    • Hi John;

      Just a couple of thoughts.

      Wise like an owl is an old saying. Why is a n owl wise? For one, an owl sits on a high perch in order to see his prey. Maybe we have to be at an elevated spot – like an owl – in order to see the blaze – If you’ve been wise and FOUND the blaze.

      Thought #2 – FOUND the blaze – not SEEN the blaze like so many imply but FOUND the blaze. What is it that one must find – possibly from observing from above?

      Just a couple of things to think about over the winter recess – JDA

      • Hi JDA,
        I think the blaze is hidden from view when you follow the trail after HOB. Unless you’re wise and keep looking for the blaze you may not find the blaze. If you can identify the blaze before you’re on your BOTG, you don’t have to be wise since you already know what is the blaze and where it is located.
        – MajinKing

      • Hi JDA,

        What you say makes sense in my book, and that is how I came to the area of my solve. I used maps and aerial views to follow the clues to a certain point—once I figured out where to start, things fell into place very well. My “blaze” was a small distinct area of calcium carbonate (or something akin to it) that showed up on the map. It is next to a lovely small spring area (maybe 30′ by 30′). I thought the treasure might be in that spring area, but then I read how it wasn’t underwater… Everything fits like a glove up to that last “blaze” part, but I am too far away and too old to spend the time necessary to try to figure out that last bit, although I think the area in my solve has to be relatively small at the end. Note: I did go there, but after living along the coast for years, it was soon evident that I needed some time to acclimate to the elevation, even though the hiking isn’t that far… More time than I had. Anyway, I DO agree with your points.

      • I am new to this line of chat but I posted some comments yesterday. I am replying to this one because I can connect it to one of my comments.
        Wise like an owl is not a bad thought. Perhaps instead of on a perch it refers to an owls anility to see in the dark. If you refer to my posts from yesterday you will understand the connection I am drawing. But an interesting thought of yours which potentially lends credence to mine.
        Thank you.

    • Hi John, IMO knowing what HOB is so critical. Otherwise you don’t know where to stop. Your forgetting several things, every word in the poem is important. Brown trout is not the Brown your looking for because you cannot narrow that down to just one location. There are abrazilian locations for Brown trout. Brown is a place where you can see a slide. If you can find THE Brown Rusty Old slide you found HOB.

      • Hi BEC. IMO, too many people are making more of this “riddle” than what it is. It is a riddle, not a cryptogram, or anagram, or something so hard that it is impossible to rationally figure out. Every word is NOT critical, but each helps to tell the story, much like pages in a book. Brown trout DOES narrow the area down and it helps verify the other clues being right. As I said earlier, it is NOT the critical clue, just one that helps to let you know you are on the right track. To me, “blaze” is the most important because I think it is right at the end.

        • Hi John
          But how do you get there?You have to have
          the right key to start the car.when you get the
          riddles done you will know what I mean.
          Clint

          • Hi Clint
            I don’t mind sharing my idea since I am probably not going back and haven’t the very end figured out anyway…

            I think Fenn put the chest in NM, if one does exist. He later expanded the search area so people didn’t just look there. I then concentrated on NM and the starting point. “Begin it where warm waters halt” Very tricky. There is a river called the Ojo Caliente (hot eye in Spanish). It starts (halts) in La Madera NM where two other rivers join to form it. So start in La Madera. The canyon “down” is the Canada de la Cueva, a short distance down the road (valley). It isn’t far to the canyon, but to far to walk to take your car down the road to it… Then get out and walk down the canyon a short ways to the river and “put in below the home of brown” (cross it). Brown trout live above La Madera, but not down that far. On the other side of the river is a lovely waterfall that is too steep for the meek to climb, but can be climbed by going south a short distance. You’ll be drawing (there is a draw) near (nigh) and you won’t need a paddle on the small creek that goes over the waterfall. Heavy loads is a bit of a mystery to me, but could simply refer to the fact that you are going uphill and it is rather steep to carry stuff. Water high, refers to the small creek “above” the Ojo Caliente you crossed. There is a lovely spring at the top of the draw and the water flows above ground and underground from some small caves in places to reach that waterfall. Fenn has said it is a special place, and this is certainly unique in many ways for NM—waterfall, spring, caves, etc. I am not sure about the end, but I still find it hard to think that is the wrong area. And he says if you are brave and in the wood… The mountains there are the La Madera Mtns. (The Wood mountains) Still, I must mention another thing about this “solve”. I am not 100% sure of the public assess to it all. This might be part of Fenns test too… The canyon to the river has private lands to the north and south of it, but it is oddly open to walk down. At the bottom is a fence though, although it had an open area in it made for walking through—a fence to keep cows out perhaps, but not people? I have tried to see if that is public or private land, but it has not been easy and names on some of the jumbled properties are mysterious. Anyway, after seeing the area I came away from it feeling just as sure of it being right as I felt before seeing it. Didn’t like the fence though, even though it had a nice opening in it.

          • Rogue, I have searched briefly with this so-called solve of mine, but it is a 2 day drive for me to get there and another 2 days back. I also live at sea level, and after walking around a bit I was dead on my feet. Didn’t have time to acclimate for a few days… Maybe I am blind, but I still can’t think of how things could fit better than my solve for that place (note my solve just above your message), and the area is so unique for NM… Still, the very end is illusive if the treasure is not underwater or in a cave… Good luck and good hunting.

    • In my solve brown is not the key word. There ae several key words in the poem and you have to get them all. There is a shoertcut though. Fenn gave us a keyword in an interview he did. It’s “contentment”. There are also two other keywords in my soove that were put in the books. One is in the thrill of the chase and another is in too far to walk. So if you don’t get the ones inthe poem, and you can figure out one of these others, then you won’t really need the one in the poem. all of this in just in my solve. I could be wrong.

  55. Happy Holidays- Just food for thought- IMO Only— the poem the key and the big picture coincide with each other.

  56. FF loves children , they have imagination , I also believe that Brown is the key word , I still have some imagination left over from childhood , Crayola makes 120 different colors of crayon , 11 of those of the brown family , check it out , you may find other information to help your solve , I know I did .

    • There are 26 “hue family brown” colors listed on the crayola site (out of 222 total colors). Now, maybe, they don’t make crayons with all those colors, but I’m not sure how important that detail would be. The only interesting name, to me, was Beaver.

  57. I’ve been on and off the chase for the last year, probably looking this over for a total of 5 months or so. I usually think logically because I pretty much do it in my day job everyday. When I found that word is key statement, I immediately thought that it is probably one of the hints that are in the book. Forrest never said the word that is key is In the poem so don’t assume it is. I think if you find one of the two good hints, you should then be able to find all four that exist in TTotC. From there that word that is key may unlock the poem and you should be able to decipher at least the FIRST and most important clue. But it doesn’t stop there. No one said that it would be that easy. You will then have to take the two identified clues to geographic locations that exist together. In my opinion, this is a one step at a time function and more connect the dots sorta play that meets the eye. I don’t watch or read a lot of other peoples solve or ideas because they may derail my thought process. Forrest has mentioned more than a few times about searchers who are soloists may have a better chance at finding the treasure. I think this is due to the context or mindset that one has to grasp in order to completely see what Forrest is trying to convey. Good luck with the search.

  58. Riddles and key words.. would be under a specific Title wouldn’t they?

    Figure out the Title, to lead you to where it is…

  59. Hi John
    I look that part of the country over to.
    I am 99.9 percent sure it’s not in NM or Colorado
    It takes me about 26 hr to drive from Michigan to my search area.
    Like I told Seeker and Zap last week solve the riddles in the
    stanzas.some have just riddles and some have both riddles
    and clues.where are you from if you don’t mind me asking?
    Clint

    • Hi Clint, I’m a searcher from Michigan also. I’m in Flushing, Mi just Northwest of Flint. Where are you at in Michigan?

        • Beautiful area Clint. I’ve only been in the Chase since August this year and had BOTG 3 times in Montana.

          • Hi Dawn
            Good for you I think you have the right
            state.Did you fly out or drive.i drove
            2 times and caught flights 5 times.last
            September had to cancel my flight
            because of snow storm lost the
            money for the flight.this year June 12 I was there sill a lot of snow higher up.
            I was going to go to the function at
            Junction but it was going to snow
            more so I left.Clint

          • Hi Clint, I drove all 3 times. I was there when the first big snow started. I got one full day searching then a half day when it started snowing. I had to cut my trip short before I got trapped in. I went back in October there was still some snow higher up but it was manageable. I’m going back in May or June. Weather permitting.

    • Hi Clint

      I think the poem is made up of many riddles, with a few other hints tossed in to simply have the poem rhyme. I do like NM as the solve. Personally, I think he hid it there and had no idea of the response he would get. Seeing how big the response was, I believe he acted like he was limiting the range for people by later stating parts of the Rocky Mtns. as the location, when in reality he was getting more people away from his home area. I’m from the Oregon coast. A long drive for either of us.

  60. Hi Dawn
    I think I will be there in mid June or whenever the weather permits.Do
    you camp or stay in town I do both.some of us meet at Pete Pizzas
    in West Yellowstone.Clint

    • Hi Clint, I stay in a hotel. I’m not opposed to camping, it’s just easier/quicker for me to stay in a hotel. My search area is not in Yellowstone or West Yellowstone.

      • Hi Dawn
        I do not search in the park or west Yellowstone I got my
        solve done I just have to get there ,it’s going to be
        a long winter.Its so hard not to talk about it when I
        have it all worked out.Clint

        • Hi Clint, I’m sure you understand that it’s a secret. I feel I’ve found out some things. Of course it’s just my opinion. Dawn

          • Dawn,
            I’m not one to interject, normally, but I think they’re just politely asking what State.

            For example, my solve is in the State of Confusion. Now some say there’s only 4 States of Confusion, but I would respectfullydisagree.

            Good luck with your findings. It’s a long fuse, but it’s the bomb!

            ByGeorge

          • ByGeorge: she said her state: Montana. Same as Clint’s. And not in the park, and not in West Yellowstone. I don’t blame her (or Clint) for not elaborating further. So far I’d say they both have their ducks in a row.

          • Hi Dawn
            Yes I know it’s a secret and so is mine
            I would not have asked you.some don’t
            say what state they look in.if you ever
            have any questions here and if it doesn’t
            give anything away I will help.Clint

          • Clint, I think I might take you up on that offer when the weather breaks. Maybe we will meet up here in Michigan.

          • Zap,

            Oh. Go figure.
            I honestly don’t read every comment… Maybe that’s why I don’t interject much.

            Well, at least I got 1 thing correct.

            Dawn, it’s none of their business where your search AREA is!

            Thanks Zap. It must be nice to have more than 1 duck to line up!

            Don’t get me wrong, I have 2 ducks mirroring this. I have my 1 duck in the wild and a QUACK in the mirror.

            Zap, when it comes to Dawn’s solve, her ear matters a lot!

            Good Day…

            ByGeorge

  61. I think the key word is “answers”. That word tells you how/where to line things up in the final search area for the last clue. You must be BOTG to use this word.

    • LandHigh – Agreed. For your consideration:

      So whY is ‘IT’ that ‘Eye’ must go,
      And hide my trove for all to seek?
      The answerS I already know,
      ‘Eye’ have done ‘IT’ tired and now ‘Eye M’ (M is for Montana) weak.

      At Baker’S Hole, my closest blaze markers are creeks shaped like a Y and a ?…and my blaZe/blaSe is a backwardS bike $ in the course of the Madison River as ‘IT’. And my hidey spot is marked by the ‘Eye’ as a Ponderosa pine in a profile Smil•e face, which looks suspiciously like the ‘F’ in ‘Fenn’ in Forrest’s signature in his Forrest’s Scrapbooks header here on HOD.

      Is this a riddle, hidden in plain sight/site?

      Dal – I think clue #5 in the Poem is Beaver Meadow, between the Barns Holes and Baker’S Hole; in my mind, and based on Forrest’s possibly loose capitalization rules, that would be a perfect nap location for ‘no place for the meek’. Because the Meek brothers said there were no more Beaver left in the Rocky Mountains.

      • I think your getting close to the correct kind of thinking.

        In my solve “I” relates to an “eye” image in the area of the 9th clue. It is made of a patch of cattails. Remember the SB about Bobby the bobcat? Bob “cats” have short “tails.”

        But more important in this area are the ant hills that are out around the edges, like ears. Ants ears = answers. These are the key(s) that must be used to find the TC. IMO.

        • Lisa,

          Also, at the center of where the leg and arms of a large “T” intersect, is the location of the eye (cattails). So, “eye” = “I” and the “I” is on the “T”, making it “IT.”

    • I wish that my hearing weren’t so bad – even with my hearing aids in, I have difficulty understanding what is being said. Hope I am not missing out on some vital information – JDA

      • JDA,
        To sum up some of the back an forth about the ‘keyword’ going on in the video; {which said it was posted 5 day ago}
        After reluctantly attempt to avoid the question….
        Q~ is that word [keyword] in the poem?
        A~ “there is one word that will help more than others”

        Take it for what its worth but that seems to answer whether the ‘key word’ everyone is chatting about is outside the poem or actually in the poem.

        • Thanks Seeker, I appreciate it much. Another “FENN-speak” answer. There MAY be one word in the poem that will “help more than others…” but is THAT word the “Word that is key (keyword)? Still not answered, as far as I can see, JMO. Thanks SOOOO much for the post – JDA

          • I figure some may not agree with my assessment. But he was asked directly about the key word [from the gent] and then [by the gal] to the fact that ~ is it “in the poem”?
            LOL, folks danced around the same idea with; …Although I’m not ready to say the chest is not in water… defending their idea that it could be because of the topic at hand was about the sealing of the jar.
            Take it as ya like… for me, it has been directly answered.

          • If the “Word that is key” or keyword IS in the poem Seeker – Got any ideas as to what it might be? Just askin’ – No need to reply if my question is out of line or would give away too much – 🙂 JDA

          • It doesn’t bother me if ya ask, JDA.
            I’m here to BS about it all, not make fortune cookie post…
            In my mind the idea behind this particular word is to help understand what it is we need to do / read the poem as… one slightly more important them the others… as fenn stated.
            “IT” might just be that word [ stanza’s 2 first line ].
            If all this is a point to point movement, or would be needed is to *go* from point 1 to 2 to 3… ending at 9, the line would not need the word IT. It could simply read as; being where warm waters halt.

            Understanding why fenn “deliberately,” and obviously, wanted to use IT where it is in that line should be one of the very first things that pops into one’s mind when reading the poem.
            However, fenn also implied it’s not the only word that will help [the word that is key] LOL I mean, he tells us we haven’t got anything without the first clue and might as well stay home without that clue, then laughs at the idea of which clue is most important… the last clue?

            Sorry, I’m rambling and rumbling again. “IT” is my favorite word to be in “tight focus of.” But I’ll through a fortune cookie into the mix… IT is not the word to be looking at.
            Ha! I kill me….

          • Concur, JDA. Forrest didn’t necessarily answer Cynthia’s question. He made a statement that ~sounded~ like it addressed her question, but it didn’t do so unambiguously.

            But even if Forrest wasn’t being tricky here, to say that a word is “in the poem” is not the same thing as saying the word is a poem word — i.e., one of the 111 unique words in the poem. There are lots of other words that are “in the poem” that aren’t poem words: one, lone, here, wand, gin, arm, ate, etc.

          • Zap ~ *…There are lots of other words that are “in the poem” that aren’t poem words: one, lone, here, wand, gin, arm, ate, etc.”

            Wait! What?
            Your own transcript;
            Several second delay, then FF: “There’s one word that will help you more than some of the others.”
            Mike: “… In the poem.”
            FF: “In the poem.”

            LOL Talk about Dancing with the Stars…those are some fancy tap shoes ya wearing.

          • Seeker: to Loco’s point just a few minutes ago, I treat Forrest like a clever genie granting wishes. If there’s a loophole in your question, Forrest is likely to exploit it.

            Consider this from a statistical standpoint. As I wrote above, there are only 111 unique words in the poem. How many searchers had there been by February 2014 when Forrest wrote “Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key”? Yet only *a few* are in tight focus with one of those 111 words?? What word could possibly have escaped the scrutiny of at least hundreds of searchers by that point?

          • Let’s not skip over important stuff here. Fenn specifically said that when you read the poem it looks like *simple* words… but guarantees he worked on that thing. The architect spoke his piece on that subject.
            Truth is…no matter what Fenn speaks about… folks are going to hear what they individually need to hear… not necessarily what was actually said. Oh well.

          • Zap ~*What word could possibly have escaped the scrutiny of at least hundreds of searchers by that point?”

            A word that doesn’t seem important simply because it is overlooked at to me something a read thinks is a precondition notion.
            Just read the IT thread here and other blogs and many, if not all, have explained it as the chase, the journey, the waterway{s}. a path, and on and on.

            Creating a word by other word’s letters in any manner seems to be a code within the message, especially if you actually consider the poem is “straight-forward” for its words and honesty of the words used.

            Call me crazy bout removin a H from WHY to create a state or removing the W from WATER to create ‘ate’ sure feels like messing with words deliberately used. I mean, water and waters are used and you can’t create ‘ates’ from one, cuz it ain’t a word… yet, right? LOL sup with that?

          • Seeker: for someone who likes to keep all options on the table, I find it odd that you can be simultaneously dismissive about some simple ideas that have actually been used in many past treasure hunts.

            Example. Forrest has written about butterflies and dragonflies many times, and even put them on his bronze jars. In TTOTC he makes a point of mentioning the Spoonerism of butterfly/flutterby, and though not mentioned, dragonfly has a funny (if distressing) Spoonerism of “flagon dry”. Is it really that great a leap of faith to at least consider that Forrest could have incorporated such wordplay/letterplay into his poem? He did after all “architect” the poem.

          • Hi Seeker –

            You say, ” then laughs at the idea of which clue is most important… the last clue?”

            I agree. For me now – I have had several different words in the past – the “Word that is key” is “wood”. For me, this IS the last clue. IF you can find the “Wood”, you have found or can find, Indulgence.

            Knowing what “in the wood” is, is imperative to finding Indulgence. It was important to finding the right area, in the beginning of your search, and is again important at the end. Even if you are near to where Indulgence is, but do not understand what “in the wood” means, you just might miss finding Indulgence. That is what I think – but what do I know? – NADA I think that “wood” is “IT” – JDA

          • **** ****** ****
            “Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key”? Yet only *a few* are in tight focus with one of those 111 words?? What word could possibly have escaped the scrutiny of at least hundreds of searchers by that point?
            **** ****** ****

            IN tight focus

            IN the poem

            IN there

            IN the canyon

            IN below

            IN the wood

            “I think there have been people within a couple hundred feet; they figure the first two clues, but they don’t get the third and the fourth, and they go right past the treasure chest.” ff

            They go ‘past’ or ‘by’, because they didn’t go IN there.

            Jake

          • JA Kraven- look at Dodo birds fun safe side trip. there you wil see the key word in tight focus.
            good job JA Kraven.
            although Eric Sloane didnt paint it.

          • JAK,

            IN is a great word to consider, but i have to wonder if the more generic usage is being misunderstood. {within some of the lines in the poem}
            IN; expressing a period of time during which an event takes place or a situation remains the case.
            Quickly: after only a very short time.
            Tarry: linger a short time
            Scant; small amount {time?}
            Place; {put into} a institution

            IN has certain usages of Time and of a Situation that might be useful to consider.

            to consider those options of meanings I would suggest the idea of; *but they don’t get the third and the fourth, and they go right past the treasure chest.*

            It seems that when confronted with the 3rd and 4th clue, most seem to leave the situation…. and unfortunately resulting in, walking past the treasure chest.

            So my question is not so much about IN {the word} but how that word relates to the other words in the poem-?- that help create an *idea* or “thinking the right thoughts”, line of thinking.

          • seeker, Dodo bird* was brave and IN the wood. took the chest too. a photo TAKE.
            get it?

            *see a fun, safe side trip.

            i think.

      • JDA- When I went BOTG I lost one of my hearing aids. 2000.00 dollar hearing aid and the other one quit working from me sleeping on the ground and not taking it out before falling asleep. Haven’t replaced them as of yet. Sometimes silence is golden and sometimes not golden.

        • I agree, but am sorry for your loss. VA provided me with mine, and is GREAT about repairs and supplies. YEA VA!!! JDA

    • What I found interesting about his response to a key word is after he said there is one word in the poem that will help more then others (paraphrasing) he continued to say ” but you have to have all of them, one will not take you there.”

      What exactly does he mean? That there is one word that is important but only in context of all the others? Or that there is one word important that is repeated and each time we need to know why it’s important? What ever he meant, he made an effort to “clairify” his statement.

    • Hi JDA: A week ago I made a transcript of the conversation that occurred at Forrest’s house (sometime in mid-2019). Present are Forrest, Doug Preston, Kristie (KPro), Mike (Cowlazars), and Cynthia Meachum. Starting at 15:51 in my link below:

      Mike: “Can I ask one question, Forrest? Just one?”
      Forrest: “What?”
      Mike: “Can I ask one question?”
      Forrest: “Yeah.”
      Mike: “Do you still believe there’s a word that is key that searchers should focus on?”
      Forrest: “Yes.”
      Mike: “And is that word in the poem?”
      Forrest, holding up an index finger: “Now you said one question.”
      Mike: “Then you ask it, Kristie – is that word in the poem?” (Laughter).
      KPro: “Yeah, Cynthia wanted to ask something.”
      Cynthia: “May I ask a question? Is that word in the poem?”
      Forrest: “Now that was two questions. You asked if you could ask a question, was the question.”
      KPro: “And you thought *I* was bad!”
      Forrest: “I take you literally! What’s your question?”
      Cynthia: “Is the key word in the poem?”
      Forrest: “Well, that’s what he asked me.”
      Cynthia: “No, he asked you if there *is* one, and you said yes. My question is – is it in the poem?”
      Several second delay, then FF: “There’s one word that will help you more than some of the others.”
      Mike: “… In the poem.”
      FF: “In the poem.”
      Mike: “Alright, thank you, Forrest. That’s pretty big for searchers.”
      FF: “But you gotta have all of them. One is not going to take you there.”

      (There’s a little more, but this excerpt contains the main points that searchers are misquoting and thereby misinterpreting.)

      Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vH6aliCmTg

      • .
        Look how sharp Forrest is, on the quick.

        He said “Thats what he asked” and he was right, even though Cynthia corrected him. It was the third question Mike asked.

        • Sally,

          Exactly. I think the original comment was mentioned in regards to the first clue.
          If y’all want to have a little fun…. What kinda list of words do ya think are more helpful?
          I’ll give it a shot.
          It
          Take it in
          Put in
          Place
          Drawing….nigh
          NPUYC
          Been wise and found.
          Look… Quickly… Down…. BTSWMG.

          The riddle imo is to decipher how these words give meaning to each other.
          Imo… These words relate to how and when a search is done. LOL the where part is the killer.

          Like I say, just got fun. What say you?

        • You Sally are ”ONE of the most interesting and I believe you are correct. One will never take you there.

          • byGeorge- What little guy sleeps alot? I thought it’s all about a guy that never sleeps. I think ff alluded to sleeping to much somewhere.

          • WoodyBogg,

            It’s hard to explain the things that I’ve seen along the way.

            I was thumbing through TTOTC today and got to the end, p146. I began to notice something. I’ve seen those stumps before.

            IMO Only, I will never look at another stump the same way, ever.

            IMO…O F B row N?

            From there
            F romt here?

            Possibly a story within a story within a story.

            I have work to do…

            ByGeorge

        • You’re a sharp cookie, Sally! I didn’t want to draw too much attention to the fact that “one” appears three times in the poem, there are 111 unique words, and as a longitude it just happens to cut through two of the search states. Forrest had a bit of time to craft this sentence in his mind while briefly holding Mike, Kristie and Cynthia at bay: “There’s ONE word that will help you more than some of the others.”

          And while, “ONE is not going to take you there,” tripling down on it may be another story. Could explain Forrest’s frequent use of the number 3 (if you think like a Roman).

          Happy New Year, All!

  62. I do believe that everyone searching for “The Word that is Key” or that group of words which ff has intimated is simply in the first clue, “Begin it where warm waters halt” the important thing has always been over looked, that these words were not invented, copyrighted nor created by Forrest Fenn, they are much older and come from something that no one accepts as a fact….yet, I am well aware of where ff got this phrase, and I have said that he took it and recycled/redefined it, and the original has been lost in translation or stolen for another purpose.

    That purpose IMHO is what Scrapbook 237 is a Basin, and Scrapbook 241 is where it is at in the 4 states left in the hunt. Something has changed in the Chase and it all started with SC Book 209 at Chaos.

    TT

    • The SC Book 237 was originally titled or hinted as “Spanish Bowl” and it is a wash basin, I have used these in Northern New Mexico in remote cabins all my life and there is a place that crosses my mind over and over which is exactly where this hunt begins, there are many places where warm waters halt, but only one in Spanish, so come summer I will cross over there and see.

      TT

  63. Hi sally
    Imo that’s just messing with the poem.Heck you probably could go
    trough the poem and build your own solution.one key word and it’s
    in the poem he said it I heard it.
    Clint
    .

  64. Hi Dawn
    Did you see the link Zap posted about the key word.Forest says yes to key
    Word and it’s in the poem but you have to have all of them.(Have all of them )
    just more confirmation to take you to the end.Clint

    • Clint,

      Thank God, You’re back!

      Hey, let me run a possible word past ya…Edard?

      Just for fun, lets say since there’s no “W” in his name(Edward)…let’s call it a “wildcard” for lack of a better term.

      Ok, no “W”….
      Where Warm Waters Halt
      here arm aters Halt
      her ear maters Ha lt
      her ear maters ha lot

      Maybe there’s something to this madness?

      Like Jdiggins said….in baseball, 424 is a tie..
      for all to seek
      424 to seek
      4242 seek
      ff seek
      ff see K?

      IMO Only…

      But most of all, I like the word “Faith” as another key word.

      What do ya think Clint? 2 Paws are better than one!

      ByGeorge

      • BG –
        Following your train of thought (which ain’t easy) –
        maybe it’s the Y that must go.
        So instead of saying “Happy New Year,”
        I’m gonna say “Happy New Ear.”
        I think I can hear you now.
        Take stock of that.

        • wwwamericana,

          My train of thought is hard to follow?

          Ya think? LOL. FF did this to me. Have you looked at his poem? Kind a hard to follow!

          But, if he Y must go, then why the “Y” in Happy? Hmmm?

          I got nuttin…

          ByGeorge

    • wwwamericana,

      If I remember correctly, there was some holy socks with a chicken’s leg attached through it…in one of those 300 or so scrapbooks.

      Now those are some beautiful feet! Take me away Calgon….

      Happy New Year Everyone

      ByGeorge

      • On second thot – maybe I won’t sew those socks up.
        Them feet need to breathe too, don’t they?

        As far as the Calgon, I used it a time or two but much prefer epsom – and it is so much cheaper.

        HNY to you BG

      • I saw those chicken legs too…

        Looked down and thought it was because of shorts, then I realized I was just missing the longs!

        Okay, maybe I’m still dizzy from last night…

        Happy New Years!

  65. Hi y’all
    I think someone has been in the sauce and wasn’t apple sauce
    I think I will just keep my key word it’s much simpler
    Have a happy new year.Clint

    • Clint,

      Can you believe it? 29 sticks! Seems like some things get darker with time. Maybe there’s a secret somewhere, within the poem? Maybe that secret is the key?

      Thanks for listening Clint.
      I hear ya loud and clear!

      ByGeorge

  66. Hey JA Kraven….”in” is INteresting, and occurs 7 times in the poem if you count hINt and begIN. Oddly, “in” is also the 7th most common word in the English language. But I lichen it just the same LOL. “ONE” is the 35th most common word in the language. Doubtful either is the word that is key…who really knows?? Anyway, Happy New Year to all.

    • Sally Colorado,
      Three Dog Night said it best..
      ONE is the loneliest number that you’ll ever do …

      Or maybe it’s IN ONE? After all, he looks like he’s wearing hush puppies? Two of them actually.

      IMO ….Only

      • Hi ByGeorge
        Figure the riddles out they’ll take you to the end.
        By the way you never answered my question
        are you from Michigan.Clint

        • Clint,
          No, not Michigan. How’s Kansas sound, Dodge City? Where’s Festus when we need him? Prolly down at the Boot Hill…Casino!

          ByGeorge

          • Clint,
            Found many HoB so far. My last one made me think twice about the word…CRAPSHOOT!!!

            You could definately go straight to the chest if it wasn’t so dirty. Had me chuckling a bit. My options are wide open on that one! Let me tell ya!

            How aboutyou? Ya making any progress?

            ByGeorge

    • Fun Fact:
      E is the most commonly used letter in the English language.
      Without the letter E, you can spell anything, but you can’t spell everything.

  67. “Brown” is the key word. It is the only word (not at the start of a line) that is capitalized. Capitalization indicates it is a proper noun for ether a person, place or thing. All the other words are also important but “Brown” is the key. Find Brown and you will find the gold.

    Side Note: Clearly this is akin to “A pope…” from The Da Vinci Code.

    • Ironically, (and perhaps too simplistically) a quick search for “Home of Brown” turns up one Home Brown in Colorado Springs. I would be interested to hear thoughts on the area as a potential location, especially with names and places such as Manitou, Ute, Garden of the Gods, Colorado Springs (obviously), Cave of the Winds, Sheep Mountain, etc., etc….. not to mention the geography.

  68. In response to much discussion on what is perceived as the first “clue” in the poem I believe the actual first “clue” has been sorely and severely overlooked. It’s in the very first line…..
    “As I have gone alone in there”
    The word “in” is fairly crucial. FF did not use any other directional word in describing where he went. Additionally, not only did he not use an alternate directional word or phrase such as to, around, over, etc., he also made sure to include the directional word “in.” He could just as easily have said: “As I have gone alone there” He clearly went in somewhere or some thing. (Thus my note about Cave of the Winds in my reply to my previous post).

    What I’d like to know is why isn’t anyone talking about this?

    I could easily see FF descending into a canyon where some warm water ends, entering a cave maybe (he uses the word in again “in below the home of Brown”) perhaps with a creek that runs inside it in which paddling would be rendered impossible, and making his way inside where the meek may be reluctant to enter, finds the cave growing darker, smaller and more dire in an upward ascent (“end is ever drawing nigh”), (surrounded mind you by “heavy loads” of mineral deposits hanging from the cave ceiling and dripping water which would both be “high”) and then behold! some light (the “blaze”) shines in through a small hole or opening illuminating the resting place of his chest.
    Of course caves tend to be cold, this particular one would likely be in “the wood.”
    Brave could refer either to the daunting trek, though FF has assured there is no danger.
    Or it could be a Native American reference as some have noted.
    And I could fit the other clues in as well but it is late and I wasn’t really prepared to take this post this far. I believe the idea to be intriguing though.
    Let me know what you think.

    • Well thought out post, thank you for your ideas. I have two thoughts on this. One I think the use of IN is important for one major reason, it provides the extra syllable needed for flow with a word that is simple enough but also provides multiple plausible definitions that can support a multitude of different theories.

      My second thought is that, all of your definitions of his terminology seems far too probable. Normally a logical deduction is a good thing, but I think in this puzzle fenn hides his chest under a mass of allegory that is conveniently hidden amongst mountain features and terminology, which play nicely with the idea of being hidden somewhere in the Rockies and equally as well with the searchers mind.

      • Thank you for your reply. I am of the firm belief that the overwhelming majority of people interested in this hunt are overcomplicating the matter and making more of the poem and words that are necessary. Occam’s razor tells us that the simplest answer tends to be the correct one. So many theories involve every clue referring to a geographical location by name as opposed to a physical description of the trek necessary to take. But then why not capitalize those words that refer to a named place? FF said everything needed to find the treasure is in the poem, so no need to look outside of it in order to decipher the meaning.

        Admittedly, my blaze reference seems like it could be refined. But I scrolled up and read about someone’s thoughts on “wise” as in wise as an owl. I left a reply noting that instead of on a perch, as the commenter thought, it could refer to an owl’s ability to see in the dark. Again, a cave fits that criteria.

        As a disclaimer, I must confess I knew practically nothing about FF or his poem until last night. I am fairly learned with degrees in chemistry and math and a minor in physics. Logic is in my nature. I assume FF was also quite logical in his poetic construction , and practical for that matter. If he wanted to send everyone on a wild goose chase he could have chosen words with less literal meaning.

        I am hopeful that my outside perspective may cause some to rethink their own lines of thought. After all “The unexamined truth is not worth holding.” (Citation omitted because I do not know it off the top of my head.)

        With that said, I have no intention of looking for the treasure myself, although that would be an exciting endeavor to be sure. But I would be interested in solving the puzzle. I am a problem solver after all and aside from the Goldbach Conjecture, this one seems to be most intriguing.

        I encourage others to look to the caves (not sure which one exactly!) After all, isn’t “buried” treasure usually found somewhere under ground? While FF may not have buried the chest in the traditional sense, a cave would still make it “buried” to some extent.

        Enough thoughts for now. Thanks again for your reply and I look forward to other remarks in the future.

      • He never said it wasn’t by a dam. He said warm waters halt has nothing to do with any dam. I don’t mean to nitpick but what once started out as a really hard puzzle has been tremendously complicated by others believing false information from the community. This cycle then leads to perfectly viable solves and areas being ruled out before they are ever even taken seriously.

        • And if you are one that believes in homophones being an important aspect as i do, then there could actually be a reference to a sort of dam right in front of our eyes.

          The homophone connection isn’t a stretch either. just think of the many many many times that Forrest Uses the spelling of a word that sounds like a different word he should have used, such as “my two scents” rather than cents.

          Where, we’re, ware, were, wear and wait for it ….weir.

          Weir

          1. A fence or wattle placed in a stream to catch or retain fish.
          2. A dam placed across a river or canal to raise or divert the water, as for a millrace, or to regulate or measure the flow.

          Forrest could just as easily be saying my secret weir as opposed to secret where.

          • I don’t know that I would look too deep into a homophone methodology. Such a system could quite literally change every single word in the poem into a very different poem altogether with a meaning far from the one FF intended. It’s within reason that FF chose the words he did because those are the words that work in finding the chest, as opposed to representing an entirely different set of words, the possible combinations of which would be endless, that would be more fitting to guiding searchers to the chest.

            Homophones, and other word substitution methods, only complicate the matter by altering the potential meaning. FF wrote what he wrote because that is what was needed to be said in order to find the chest. If his intention was to use similar words but not the actual words necessary, then surely everything needed would not be in the poem. I would not say “to” if I meant “two.” But I might use “two” if I meant 2. The meanings are so different that I cannot use one to mean the other and expect someone else to understand.

            Statistically, 111 unique words along with their numerous substitutions have a dangerously unintelligible number of combined meanings and interpretations. It’s likely best to stick with the ones FF provided as they are hard enough to comprehend without alternate substitutions. Focus on what is instead of what if.

            And on a side note, it’s equally important to look at what FF has not said as much as it is to look at what he has said.

            For instance, in the line “Not far, but too far to walk.”

            Not far usually means near. And honestly no distance is too far to walk, it’s just a matter of time. But this leg of the journey IS too far to walk. As someone elsewhere noted, perhaps it just means you have come to a river or stream and to get to the other side would be too far to walk, I would take that a step further and suggest that some other means of traveling is necessary. In the case of a river or stream this could be a boat or swimming. I doubt that is the case though, given his age at the time of hiding and the fact that he’d have to also carry the boat. Swimming with a treasure on your back would likely sink you to the bottom. In the theory of the cave, however, and again perhaps a cave is just part of the journey, there is required some form of crawling or a short climb as opposed to walking. So while he tells us it’s too far to walk, he doesn’t say how else to get there.

            Since this line is preceded and attached to the previous line “And take it in the canyon down,” it’s safe to assume he means that heading down the canyon is too far to walk, So maybe a drive or donkey ride will get you there. But canyon doesn’t have to refer to one such as the Grand Canyon. It could be any number of “a deep cleft between escarpments or cliffs resulting from weathering and the erosive activity of a river over geologic timescales.” This includes underground rivers that have carved out caves. (Had to include that as part of the cave theory.)

            Such a river, or creek would not require a paddle for only a limited number of reasons. One reason is that it is a dry creek/river bed. There are millions of those in the Rockies. Another reason is that the creek/river is simply inaccessible by boat and therefore paddles would do you no good. Such a body of water would either be extremely narrow (small) or in a place like a cave where a boat (this includes canoes and kayaks etc. etc.) may not be feasible. I’m sure there are other instances but you get the gist.

            As you can see there are already multiple possibilities with the various meanings of the words FF actually uses. Homophones only increase those combinations and in fact would change the meanings altogether. So I would avoid such a method.

            On a slightly unrelated note, I am curious about line 16 of the poem: “I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak,”

            The words done it tired stick out to me because usually when someone is tired it is night or at least dark out. It is possible FF could have been referring to exhaustion but then why not say, “I’m done and tired,”? A substitute theorist might draw such a conclusion, but that isn’t what FF said. He said I’ve done it tired. If there is a known nighttime blaze in the Rockies this would make more sense. Even a fluorescence or some form of glow that is known to be found in a particular location. FF also did not say, “I’ve done it, tired, and now I’m weak.” Notice the extra comma I added after it so as to list the state of things. I point this out because it strikes me as odd to say you have done something tired. It could just be that it was nightfall when he was done.

            I have seen photos of the night sky out that way in which the Milky Way can be seen quite visibly. Interestingly enough it makes for a great nighttime rainbow. I wouldn’t read too much into that, just an interesting observation.

            Well, I think I’ve said enough for now. Until next time.

          • Hi Ann: you didn’t mention the possibility, but it has been offered up here a number of times: “done it tired” could mean that he used a conveyance that had tires (to include navigating some of the clues via his sedan).

            On the subject of caves, I don’t think they will be involved at any part of a searcher’s journey. If you haven’t listened to it, I thoroughly recommend the Richard Eeds radio podcast with Forrest from May 27, 2016:

            Link: http://santafe.com/podcasts/forrest-fenn-on-treasure-hunting-in-the-rockies

            At the 24:30 mark: FF: “No, I said that it’s not in a cave or a mine. I don’t want people getting killed in the mine.” Forrest cares about searcher safety, and clearly abandoned mines are dangerous, as are some (though not all) caves. Since he has made blanket statements that the treasure is not hidden in a mine, a cave or a tunnel, if safety is his primary objection to these hiding spots, then it stands to reason that he also doesn’t want searchers to have to go through any of these to get to the treasure’s location.

          • The **Cheat Sheet** at the top of every page on this site rules out some common ideas that get mentioned.

          • Ken,
            Thanks for info on the “Cheat Sheet.” I was unaware of it’s existence. And having just read it, everyone can ignore my comments regarding a copper chest! It was more of an illustrative point anyway.

          • Hi Ann,
            Thanks for the advice but I think i will abstain from ruling out homophones. And rather than argue my point by finding all of the quotes I can to sway you, I would encourage you to do some research on Forrest’s heavy use of homophones and how they are obviously done for a reason. A good place to start here beyond “two scents” is to read through the 6 questions with Forrest interviews.

            Dal has a nice price about them right here as well

          • Double a,

            I see. If FF uses homophones in this poem God save us all! That’s a whole other level of complicated. I understand you not wanting to list all the quotes here but are any of the quotes you rely on written directly by FF? I ask only because if someone else transcribed what FF was saying, how do they know he intended to use the homophone? As you have studied this aspect I expect you have a pretty good idea. And I look forward to your input. Homophones, if used by FF in his actual writing, certainly should not be ruled out. If, however, the homophones attributed to FF are from a second or third party, I would be more skeptical in using them here,

            -Ann

      • Clint,

        I was not aware he said such a thing. Perhaps the “blaze” is the light at the end of the tunnel (or cave) and that the chest is just below the opening. Still doesn’t rule out a cave being involved. Also, if such a hole was say on the side of a cliff face you may want to “tarry scant” even though the view would be something you might want to “marvel gaze.”

        -Ann

      • Plus Ann, I fail to see how all that you need is not in the poem if homophones are a factor. The words he does use still give you the ability to hear what he’s saying. It’s not as if your adding words at random, the poem is still clearly guiding anything that you come up with.

        • Double a,

          If homophones are a factor, then they literally do not appear in the poem. He wrote the poem, he didn’t record the poem. (Although there is a recording of him reading it.) Homophones are not inherently part of the poem merely because they exist for the words actually used in the poem. Suppose none of the words in the poem had any homophones, what then? That would be akin to saying an oak tree in my back yard is part of the ship made of oak wood sitting the San Francisco Bay because it’s all oak to me. The same could be said of anagrams and acronyms, both of which could be used the same way you are using homophones. In that case, we might as well take all the letters, throw them into a bucket (or hat if you prefer) and take each one out one at a time and declare that to be the answer. FF certainly didn’t do that and neither will I. He chose THESE words, not their homophones, anagrams, acronyms (or similar trickery) to construct the poem. If he did, then the task is that much more daunting. Entendres, allusions, and other poetical tools are more likely.

          I suppose if I were blind and relied solely on sound, I may be left to the use of homophones as I could not see the poem. But someone could very easily spell it out for me. I believe FF has made comments on blindness before, though I certainly don’t have them in front of me at the moment. If not seeing the poem allows the chest to be found then homophones certainly may be used. (That includes no rendering of the poem audibly with the orator interjecting punctuation marks,) I have listened to FF’s reading of the poem and was hopeful something in the way he read it might help. Unfortunately, it felt like a reading of it in an elementary English class. Perhaps a more thorough examination of that recording would be more helpful.

          And while you may not be adding words at random, you are certainly “messing” with the poem as I have been so well reminded not to do, and I was just moving prepositional phrases around to see if that clarified what FF actually wrote.

          Don’t think I am ruling homophones out altogether, I just don’t think it is likely, unless you can provide the written examples I requested elsewhere.

          -Ann

    • I think his reference “As I have gone alone in there” is saying “Because I was alone when I went there” … “I can keep my secret safe”.

      In TTOC where he and Donnie go in search of Lewis & Clark, he mentions several times on pages 61 & 62 that they needed to “go out”. Go out of what? They were outside. Out of the area, out of the forest (woods), etc. Based on this, I think “in there” refers to something similar (an area, a forest, woods, etc.).

      • It certainly could! And that’s the point. Why use the directional word “in” at all if not to indicate a direction. (And by direction I don’t necessarily mean compass direction or even physical direction, but instructional at the very least.) FYI, I have not read the book but I appreciate the info. FF has clarified that the book is not necessary for the hunt so I am avoiding convoluting what is necessary, the poem, by not interjecting what could be any number of potential misleading hints the book may or may not contribute. The poem is only 20 lines long with 111 distinct words. Adding an entire book to that only makes things worse. If anything, and again I haven’t read the book, perhaps it is useful not for specific hints but more for general background info or the like. I would not equate any information obtained with the book to the information provided in the poem and certainly not give it the same importance that the poem alone carries.

        • Ann, another consideration is that Forrest May have used the directional word “in” as a broad indicator of where the search starts. For instance ff went in Gallatin National Forrest alone, Yellowstone Park alone, in the Madison River, in his airplane, and his sedan alone.
          When men go fishing and their wives ask where… Typical answers might be, “I’m heading to the Dearborn” or “Gallatin” as the General frame of reference.

          Metaphorically, ff could be referring to his “journey of thought” as he dealt with death and cancer…these ideas have been discussed on Dal’s blog as well as Mysterious Writings & other TTOTC blogs. Lots of great information right here to read & consider.

          One thing you touched on was a hole in a cliff face. I do believe IMO, if the poem is right justified in a grid there is evidence for a hole in a boulder wall.

          • 42,

            You are spot on regarding the directional word “in.” The obvious question is in where or in what?

            I am not so sure about the metaphorical approach. Again, when one broadens the poem to include the realm of possible metaphors, the possibilities are endless. Not that I can say for sure he wasn’t being metaphorical. But I would imagine any metaphor would have to do directly with finding the chest since FF has made clear that all the words of the poem are paramount to finding it.

            Thank you for the hole in the boulder wall info. Elaboration on that is welcome. I was simply stating the possibility that one must pass through a cave, cavern or underground passage perhaps through such an opening as to allow light (the blaze) in. And one on the face of a cliff would provide an instance of tarry scant and marvel gaze. But it’s just one possibility.

            This leads to a further notable observation which may have already been made previously. The word “the” preceding blaze is equally as crucial as the word “in” as discussed earlier. The reason being, the rule of last antecedent. In this case, “the blaze” refers to a specific blaze and not just any blaze, otherwise FF would have to have said “a blaze.” So identifying “the” blaze would likely be as helpful as identifying the home of Brown.

            In short, words matter.

          • 42,

            I never asked for an elaboration on the hole in the boulder wall. Could you please do so as I would be interested to ear your thoughts.

            -Ann

        • Ann, the poem I’m using to hunt for Forrest’s trove has 24 lines.
          Warning: I’m about to add that phrase that I truly hope you don’t fear:
          In my opinion.

          • Andrew,

            Hahahahaha! You are indeed correct! Despite my degree, rudimentary counting seems to have escaped me! The poem is 24 lines long.

        • Because direction is required. Otherwise it wouldn’t be a treasure hunt, it’s be a giveaway or something

          • Brian,

            I am not sure to what you may be referring. Direction is indeed required. Direction itself has various meanings. There are compass directions, physical directions, instructional directions, etc., etc. I was merely pointing out FF’s use of the word “in” which is itself a directional word. If it wasn’t important he could easily have left it out and just said “there” instead of “in there.” Usually when someone goes somewhere it’s a “to” not an “in.” As in:
            “Where are you going?”
            “I’m going TO the hiding spot.”
            I suppose I was more interested in the significance, if any, of the word rather than it’s existence.

            -Ann

      • One additional note: I would agree with your initial assessment of

        “I think his reference ‘As I have gone alone in there’ is saying ‘Because I was alone when I went there’ … ‘I can keep my secret safe’.”

        except for the following:

        While going alone would certainly ensure his secret safe *unless he told someone where he was going), he does not say “I can keep my secret safe.” He says, instead, “I can keep my secret where,” and this is directly followed by the end of the entire sentence which makes up the first stanza, “And hint of riches new and old.”

        Now I’ve tried to rearrange the individual lines keeping all the original words and moving only the prepositional phrases to see if the stanza (and entire poem really) makes more sense. So for the first stanza it might read:

        As I have gone in there alone
        And with my bold treasure,
        I can keep where my secret,
        And hint of new and old riches.

        While that certainly is easier to read than the original, this method does not seem to carry throughout the entire poem. This became evident in the very next stanza:

        Begin it where halt warm waters (the original sounds better)
        And take it down in the canyon,
        (And here’s where the method breaks down….)
        Not too far, but far to walk. (?)
        Not far to walk, but too far. (?)
        (?)
        (And then the last line…..)
        Put in the home of Brown below. (?)

        The lines start to change too much and the meaning becomes completely different. That is not to say that those lines capable of rearrangement, such as those in the first stanza, might not gain some sort of clearer understanding by utilizing this exercise. But a pattern would have been nicer.

        I do not know that FF was trying to say he could keep “where” his secret as the rearrangement and your analysis suggest. But his arrangement of “my secret where” is equally off putting and unclear. This is true only because the very next word is “And.” Some have suggested this is an open ended line. But grammatically it is not presented as such. and that would only invite speculation as to what is “missing” but FF has assured everyone the poem contains everything that is necessary. So unless the “where” refers to a place where he leaves us hanging I doubt it is an open ended line. For these reasons I give the word ‘in” in the very first line more credence as to it’s importance than perhaps has been given in the past. If his intention was to say I can keep my secret safe because I went in alone, he has done a poor job of saying it.

        • Ann,
          I like the way you are thinking, and that could give some insight, but I think people tend to over-complicate it.

          I think he is using the word “where” as a noun, meaning a place or location. “As” can mean “since” or “because”.
          Thus –> Since I have gone alone in there…
          I can keep my secret … my secret location…

          But I think he has been there other times, but “this” time he brought the chest… “AND with my treasures bold”…
          Taking his treasures there was a bold thing to do.

          As usual, just my thoughts.

          • Lori,

            I agree. I believe there is much over complication of the matter. Which is precisely why we should examine the words for what they are and not what they could be. In Law, when interpreting a Rule or Statute there are two things that are taken into consideration: 1, the literal text and 2. the intent of the author(s). What’s there is there and nothing more can or should be read into it. FF’s poem, much like the law, was written with purpose and drafted carefully to reflect that purpose. The words he used he had to use because they are the ones that best conveyed his intent. The problem then becomes, which interpretation matches FF’s?

          • Not the way I see the poem structured.
            I think I posted somewhere that I see the first stanza as a preamble. FF said the first clue is “Begin it where warm waters halt” so anything before that is not a clue; just supplemental information.

            I think its purpose was to convey what I stated… he is making it clear that he is the ONLY one who knows where it is.
            There have been comments that possibly FF’s father showed him the location, or knew the location before FF hid the treasure there.
            “Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead.”

            And hint of riches new and old tells us the poem is the clue. After that, the clues begin.

            Fun Fact: I don’t have the treasure either, so what do I know? LOL

          • Andrew,

            It certainly is a peculiar word, at least the way it is placed. And I imagine if anyone knew “where” that would certainly be key! I’m sticking with Brown as the key word, if only because it’s the only word that most notably stands out from the rest due to it’s pointedly capitalization, which essentially gives it greater meaning. That is not to say the other words are not important. AS evidenced by these posts, the words “in” and “the” are equally important for the reasons already mentioned.

            That said, I had another query to share. Why the map? Why did FF choose the specific map he chose to share the searchable region? HAs any research been done into the map or the names and locations on it? And, without having checked myself, is there a word on the map that is also in the poem? I ask because generally maps have “keys.” It would therefore make sense that a word in the poem is the key to map. And yes, I realize there are all sorts of double entendres in this query.

    • Hi Ann: one more comment about this part of your post:
      “In response to much discussion on what is perceived as the first “clue” in the poem I believe the actual first “clue” has been sorely and severely overlooked. It’s in the very first line….. ‘As I have gone alone in there'”

      If you mean “clue” in the generic sense (and not one of Forrest’s 9 clues), then I would mostly agree with you: I think the entire first stanza is very important. But Forrest has ruled out an actual *clue* being in the first stanza.

      • Zephod,

        Thank you for the new information, new to me. I apologize to all for any repetition or redundancy of ideas in any of my posts. As stated elsewhere, I only just came across this whole FF treasure quest business last night. (Don’t ask.) In light f that and what I have read or heard, I still cannot rule out some form of an earthly structure such as a cave, cavern or passage as part of the journey. While FF may have declared the chest not to be “in” a cave he said nothing about not entering one. As has been evidenced by our discussion here on the first stanza regarding the word “in” I would not take FF’s comment on the matter at face value. That said, I have a comment to make regarding the notion of safety.

        The notion that hiding a copper chest full of valuable items in the inherently dangerous wilderness is itself antithetical to FF’s assurance regarding safety. That being the case, it is well known that some people have already passed away in the search. FF cannot possible fathom what perils may await potential searchers. Therefore, there can be no guarantee that the quest is safe one. We are talking about a mountainous search area full of land slides, falling rocks, unpredictable weather, grizzly bears, unfortunately other dangerous searchers should there be any, and several other dangers I could list that FF cannot guarantee would not be encountered. (i.e.-malaria from mosquitos) So to presume that finding the chest is a walk in the park, pun intended, is a bit of a stretch. Even trees fall in the woods from time to time.

        Let’s assume there truly is no perceivable danger. Then by process of elimination or deductive reasoning, much of the search could be ruled out. Woods are filled with trees so those areas are out. (This appears contrary to part of the poem I know.) Anywhere (in the mountains mind you) where mud slides or falling rock may occur are out. People can drown in water so it’s not likely to be there. Stay away from private property and federal bases unless you have permission. Oh, and yes caves can be dangerous (though not all are otherwise we wouldn’t have tours through them). I think that leaves us with open prairies maybe. But , yes there is a but, we are talking about a COPPER chest in the mountains! (I should have mentioned elevation sickness.) Perhaps we should be scouring the meteorological data for the search area to see where lighting has struck the same place twice or more since such a conductor of electricity out in the open prairie would surely increase the chances of a lightning strike. (So don’t search for the thing in a storm.) The point is folks, as anyone can plainly see, danger is inherent in everyday life. Presumably, FF put the chest somewhere non life threatening. But we cannot assume every cave, or mountain or valley is riddled with the danger FF meant. People are in danger just driving down the road let alone spelunking in caves.

        Perhaps FF should have written a poem about the sorts of places where the chest would clearly not be, such as in a guizer. BTW the process of elimination isn’t all that bad of an idea. And if the search community is convinced that FF felt someone was close at any point over the past decade then surely a census of places searched would narrow down the field a bit. Perhaps a map of searched areas should be created instead of leaving everyone to look everywhere. Of course that requires a great deal of cooperation. I leave it to you to decide.

    • Ann, lead searcher here.
      just read Dodo birds “fun, safe side trip” here archived on Dal’s blog. then you will know what I think.

      i think.

      • Hey Bob,

        I am not all that familiar with the layout of this website or it’s contents. I have only just been introduced to the whole FF treasure hunt world within the last 48 hours. Could you please direct me to the read you mention? And I have posted most of my thoughts in Key Word as that appeared to be a logical place to start. I believe the word to be Brown btw. (Or possibly a word in the poem that also appears on the map FF provided, if such a word exists.) Anyways, I hope you get a chance to read some of what I’ve posted as I would be interested to hear your thoughts.

        -Ann

  69. Hi ByGeorge
    Yes I do have HOB and all the way to the end.
    And see how the poem it’s self will take you there.
    Clint

  70. Ann,
    There will be a lot of people of disagree. However some of those words were placed in the poem to satisfy anagrams. Not every anagram is a clue to the treasure location.
    Tim

    • Good luck if you use anagramming (or is it de-anagramming?) to help find the trove.

    • Tim,

      I have to agree with Andrew. Why anagram? I think it’s been established that FF didn’t hide anything in the poem, or that nothing is hidden in the poem. Or something to that effect. It’s a poem of clues not a cipher or code to be broken. There may be allusions (not to be confused with illusions), but that’s as far as I would go with adding to the mystique of the poem.

  71. Hi Ann
    Forrest said don’t mess with his poem and there is a very good
    reason for that.Clint

    • Clint,
      This is true. But, words matter and that includes location. And now I’m being cryptic because I believe I have the HOB. If I am correct, it’s a clever arrangement to say the least. I am not messing with the poem, just playing with the words a little. I’m curious as to what makes you think I am “messing” with his poem? Elaborate if you wish. Otherwise, please don’t heed warnings as if you had the chest in your hands.

      • I think what FF meant about “don’t mess with my poem” was people moving the words around. Technically, you were doing that, but I think your intent was to examine possible meanings within the line, not to extract some hidden code.

        Like you mentioned in another post about words’ literal meanings and the intent of the author. FF admits he looks up words in the dictionary and bends the rules (not an exact quote).

        So that got me to thinking about word meanings (not necessarily definitions) and ways to analyze them. Then I remembered a post somewhere that someone talked about using Google Translate, and translate the poem into different languages. I tried it and got some interesting results.

        I won’t list them all here, instead I’ll let those who are interested do it themselves. I took the poem, copied it, and pasted it into Google Translate. Then on the right side selected Spanish. Click the icon bottom-right to copy the translation. Then go back to the translate page and paste the translation into the left side. Make sure “Detect Language” is selected. Then on the right choose a different language. I chose German. Copy, paste, repeat, the Russian and finally Swedish. Then when you get bored form doing all of this, translate it back to English.

        If we are looking for key words, are they the ones that never change? Or are they the ones that change the most? Either way, this exercise gave me some insight into possible meanings for each line that may not be obvious.

        Have fun and be safe.

        • Lori,

          I will certainly look onto the translation exploration and get back to you on that. I imagine it may be insightful for the reasons you have noticed. Language structure varies from one dialect to another, but usually the meaning is not far off. I commend you on your initiative to explore the words.

          -Ann

  72. Hey Lori,

    I am inclined to believe I have stumbled across the HOB, by chance really, but also in part due to a previous conversation of ours. I don’t know why I didn’t catch it before but I was wrong about line 8 in my previous hiccup. It does work after all. If any of this makes sense, then you will know what I am talking about. I can’t say more without giving it away, and your genuine interest and replies have inclined me to share this with you. If you should come to understand this mysterious post just reply with an “Aye.”

    Also, the first stanza should read better as:

    As I have gone in there alone
    Bold and with my treasure,
    Where I can keep my secret,
    And hint of new and old riches.

    I hope this helps! I look forward to your reply as I have said too much already!

    -Ann

    • Hey Ann,
      Aye, matey.
      That is how I interpret the first stanza.

      “Genius thinks on the same track.” 🙂

      • Lori,

        My cryptic post was not about the first stanza, though that tidbit of info was meant to aid you. I am glad we are in agreement. I hope you can apply my method to the rest and give my hiccups the same. 😉 If you do so correctly, you will discover how to find the Key. And I will add an IMO since that seems to be the natural disclaimer here. Aye?

        Just for giggles, was that “Aye, matey.” Pirate or Australian? 🙂

        -Ann

        • Yup, I got it.
          I am not Australian. Does that make me a pirate?

          During the Isaac Cole Podcast, On the Road with Charlie, (5/8/2017), FF says: “It’s hidden in a pretty good place. You’ve got to solve the riddle in the poem.” “You can’t ignore any of the nouns in that poem.”

          Now ‘brown” is normally an adjective. But if you capitalize it, it becomes a pronoun. Does that make it a “word that is key”?

          In the same podcast referenced above, FF also says:

          “…I tried to think of everything. What I didn’t think of is that, I’m convinced, seven percent of the American population are certifiably crazy. I mean, I get emails that are incoherent, or they talk about things that are so far out – Jiminy Christmas, I just don’t know.”

          So there’s that.
          LOL

          • Lori,

            You are on a hunt for hidden treasure! So yep, ye be Pirate!

            Thanks for the interesting podcast info. A riddle in the poem is an intriguing take away.

            Your remarks about “Brown” are essentially what I pointed out in the first post I made here. (scroll up)
            They have also been iterated elsewhere:

            “Who or What is Brown?
            Brown has to be either a specific person place or name because it’s capitalization means that is is a proper noun, which is an individual, specific person, place, or thing. It is never an adjective, which is a word that describes a person, place, or thing. So the home of Brown cannot be the place of brown trout or brown trees or brown sand or brown anything. Brown is capitalized and with good reason – because it is the marker of a specific thing, allowing us to continue forward in confidence while on this modern day treasure hunt.”

            That can be found here:
            http://lifelongvagabonds.com/forrest-fenn-home-of-brown.shtml

            I am not surprised that FF gets some crazy emails! Though it’s funny he mentions it! Thanks for the laughs.

            -Ann

  73. Ann,
    There are some of us who believe we have a solve, but cannot explore those til spring,… while i understand you have no interest in going out boots on the ground, your comments could be revealing something that some of us worked really hard for !! Because personally i do intent to go out in the spring just to see how close i really am !! I would ask very kindly that you dont “say too much” ❤ im my very humble opinion !

    • I agree that we should play our cards close to our chest, but the purpose of this forum is to exchange ideas. And that is always my intent. Many people here have provided interesting insights, or helped debunk false rumors.
      Thanks to all, especially Dal for giving us a place to do that.

    • Rogue—
      Your post will cause everyone to go over Ann’s post with a fine tooth comb. lol. 🙂

      • Sparrow,

        Like the name first and foremost. And I just wanted to thank you for pointing out the irony in Rogue’s reply! No one would have been the wiser. It almost feels like FF telling the world someone was within 200-500 feet. (Or however close he may ever have said someone was.) Also lol. 🙂

        -Ann

        • Ann—
          Thanks and welcome to the Chase and to this blog. All the best to you in your search!! It truly is a lot of fun and one thing it will most definitely do is cause you to learn many new things. Have fun!!! 🙂

          • Sparrow,

            Well said. And thanks for the welcome. I’m not sure how much time I will have to divest to the Chase. It is an intriguing proposition put forth by FF. I will certainly keep the poem handy n case something comes to mind. There are bigger fish to fry in my kitchen than FF’s treasure quest. I do wish everyone luck though and I look forward to this years search results.

          • No two people usually figure it out at the same time basically so it’s easier to go in alone.

          • Jason,

            Not sure what you mean by two people not figuring it out at the same time, but in my experience, collaboration generally produces greater results, if not at least faster ones. Those who believe they can do it all alone, whatever “it” may be, are bound to drive themselves mad trying to resolve every hiccup by themselves along the way. The question you have to ask yourself is, is figuring all this out by yourself more important than just plain figuring it out? I am of the latter mindset because while part of the excitement in the Chase (or any chase for that matter) is the chase itself, equally rewarding is the conclusion, and perhaps moving on to the next such chase. I’m sure those researching cancer would rather find a “cure” than spend their entire lives looking. As a mathematician and scientist, I can assure you I don’t want to spend my entire life looking into just one thing, especially if that search is fruitless, And that is true no matter how beautiful the journey may be. I always think of what larger issues, questions or problems could have been solved if people would put as much energy into them as they do less significant ones. It’s interesting to think about what people spend their time doing. Some of it’s scary, some of it is humbling, some is intriguing (and I could list a whole host of adjectives here) etc., etc. I just hope it is rewarding to the individual whatever they may be doing.

            -Ann

        • Lol.. they are welcome to take that fine tooth comb and check every cave they like, and while they are at it, they can start with “as i have gone in alone” !!! I was simply asking that Ann, who is not BOTG, not say too much.. it was her question, i simply replied !!

          • Rogue;

            You put in quotes the following: “as i have gone in alone” What are you quoting? Certainly not the poem, which reads, “As I have gone alone in there…” Please be careful when you “Quote” Forrest or the poem, to do so accurately – Thanks – JDA

          • Rogue,

            How true! I don’t think it was the cave talk that concerned you though….:)

            JDA,

            Rogue was quoting me not FF.

          • JDA,

            BTW, Rogue misquoted me as well! 🙂

            Rogue,

            And that is quite alright by me! 🙂 Wouldn’t it be something if a Freudian slip, or some other quip led someone to solve it all!!!

            Random question: Does anyone else find it ironic that the guy who started this all is named Forrest?

          • … as I have gone alone at the home of brown I think is what he’s meaning. Specifically alone part, not a group part at the home of brown on going alone basically, if that make sense.

          • I was quoting ann’s intepretation of moving the words around in the poem.. if you had read the reply in context, you would have known that !! Lol imo

      • Comb. Good one.

        It appears that someone wants us to consider that “the key word” may be “I”.

        May “I” suggest that a “key word” might be pizza? But not a square or
        rectangular one that looks like “the big picture”. Round is better, and
        should be large enough that it would typically be sliced into 12 pieces,
        because in the context of this message, 12 is a significant number.

        And speaking of significant, the word “pirate” has been invoked, which
        tends to suggest that “pirate” is a significant word.

        ‘Round and round whee go. All IMO.

        • Andrew,

          Hahahahaha! Lol!

          Pizza sounds like a great idea. 12 pieces may not be enough for all the hungry searchers here! May have to get a bigger pizza or make smaller pieces.

          Pirate? Who said pirate!?! Lol.

          And in the world of shapes, shouldn’t we be looking for an X and not an O?

          If I have jumped onto a merry-go-round please let me off! I will start by clarifying my previously cryptic posts (sorry Lori as initially intended this potential insight for you alone):

          In regards to line 8 of the poem it should be noted that the line is a stand alone sentence. When I initially started playing with the arrangement of the prepositional phrases in the poem I ran across some “hiccups” with lines 7 and 8. But, as I mentioned to Lori, I had overlooked something. That something was the fact that line 8 is a stand alone sentence. That said, my prepositional phrase approach could render line 8 to read:

          The home of Brown put in below.

          And this may make sense to some but to be sure, the question for everyone seems to have been where was the treasure put in below the home of Brown? And obviously, where or what is the home of Brown. But, if line 8 “Put in below the home of Brown.” is taken to mean “The home of Brown put in below.” (Which the rules of prepositional phrases allow.) then that line may become a bit more clear. Instead of “Where is the home of Brown the treasure is put in below?”, searchers can ask themselves “Where is the home of Brown put in below?”

          If this still doesn’t make any sense, consider lines 5-7 where most of the words seem to be descriptive. In this new rendering of line 8, the home of Brown would be placed in the canyon of line 6 down below wherever it is the rest of the stanza has you situated. Line 8 is more informational in this instance than directive. As if FF was saying “BTW, the home of Brown is in the canyon down below.”

          Take that for what it’s worth, but it felt like an ah ha moment when I came up with this. And to any who may discount these results because of the rearranging of prepositional phrases consider a well known little green creature from a well known movie franchise, whose conclusion was just released, and how he speaks. I believe Yoda would understand the poem perfectly!

          -Ann

          • Hi Ann,
            I understood what you were saying and that is why I suggested the multiple translation method.

            It seems to do what you were doing regardless of which languages you choose. But I also found that after several repetitions, the translation does not change much, as if it hit a stable “meaning” that might be applicable in any language.

            Then when examining those results, I noticed that some sentences hardly changed from the original, and others changed drastically. That made me wonder if this type of analysis might reveal the word(s) that are key.

          • Lori,

            I figured you figured it out. Yes, other languages structure their speech differently than English, often times backwards (from English), as in coat that is red instead of red coat. So the translation thing may be useful since I don’t think FF intended for the treasure to be hunted solely by English speaking people. Sorry I had to spill the beans, so to say, about line 8. Felt hypocritical not to. Anyways, I look forward to thoughts on that rendering.

            -Ann

          • Hi Lori: MW Q&A (9/5/2017): “Hello Mr. Fenn, For those of us that do not speak a lick of Spanish, would a Spanish to English dictionary be helpful in our search for your treasure chest? Thanks, John”

            FF: “You should not need to look any words up John. Good luck. f”

        • Slice that pizza into 6 pieces because I don’t think I can eat 12.

          Stolen from Yogi Berra. lol

    • Rogue (and Others),

      Have I managed to stir the pot so quickly? Look, I’ve only known about any of this for literally a little more than 24 hours. If I can manage to stir the pot in that short time, I am sure others have figured out as much in longer periods of time. It’s a bit like a scientific discovery in the sense that if I can do it, others can too. That’s the beauty of science (and math) the results are reproducible. (Which for any of you conspiracy theorists out there demonstrates why alleged cures for diseases are not being suppressed by the government, or such similar theories regarding science.)

      With that said, I do not know how much can be said here to impugn upon any personal proposed solves. If I were to draw a detailed map of any solve whatsoever and it just so happened to match someone’s who is watching then it would be on them to reveal that as their solve, not me. I do not portend to have the answer, let alone any answer, but you should not wary yourself over others conjectures which may align with yours. If anything, if ought to boost confidence in your own results if someone else would, or could independently verify them. In such a case, you would likely be closer than you originally hope. After all, FF did not intend the quest to be solvable by only a single person, else why say the poem is capable of leading anyone to the treasure? On the flip side of that, say Spring comes and you seek out your solve and come up fruitless. What then? Now you have wasted efforts suppressing someone else’s insights only to protect a failed solve. But, if I am wrong then you have succeeded and it won’t matter what little I have said here. Do not take this forum personal. My name says it all.

      • Hi Ann
        I do not have chest in hand yet.I don’t care what you do with the poem.Forrest said don’t mass with it.
        IMO he constructed the poem just the way he wanted
        it.If you change it for example might change north to
        south left to right up to down or vice versa. There
        is a orderly way to it all,and there other reasons for
        not changing it witch I will live you to figure out.
        Thanks Clint

        • Clint,

          Thank you for the clarification. My “rearrangement” of the poem is nothing more than an examination of words via rules of the English language. In no way am I attempting to rewrite the poem and I certainly agree that FF wrote it the way he did intentionally. But in trying to figure out what the words might mean, it’s not completely inappropriate to explore their composition. Your directional comment is interesting. And I do not know whether you were attempting to take a jab at me with your homophone slip, but I am hopeful that is not what you meant.

          On a side note, as a poet myself I am aware of the craftmanship that may go into constructing a poem. I am also familiar with cryptic poems and riddles. I hope that we may be able to exchange ideas without compromising any solves you may want to keep private. In th meantime I wish you well.

          -Ann

        • Clint,

          I just had the strange feeling that you may have understood my suggestion to Lori and perhaps have discovered the method I mention. If so, you should realize that no direction changes for my hiccup. Only the object receiving the action. Hope that makes sense.

          -Ann

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