Scrapbook Two Hundred Fifty Four…

October 9, 2020
by dal

 

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For twenty years the military played a significant role in Forrest’s and Peggy’s life. The relevance did not end when Forrest retired from the Air Force in 1970. He was an accomplished combat pilot…and of that he was proud. He was also a humanitarian…caring deeply about the lives of humans. He was careful in trying to balance, on one hand, the killing and destruction borne in his role as a combat pilot, against the sage and human desire to honor and assist those around him. In many ways he was still a pilot long after he gave up flying; in the way that mentors always assist and push others to be as good as humanly possible.

I’d like you to look at a piece of film that Forrest and I sat down and watched in early 2014.  This is 24 minutes of gun camera film from Forrest’s missions in Vietnam. Listen to Forrest’s voice. I believe he was proud of his skillful ability to destroy enemy targets, and at the same time, regretful of the inevitable pain and death to civilians that came with his best efforts.

Forrest was both a realist and a humanitarian. When watching the evening news with him I would often hear him whisper…”Why can’t we all just get along?”

There is more explanation in the film’s description on the video page.

 

Please look HERE for the video.

 

Forrest was a compulsive record keeper. These are pages from Forrest’s personnel flight log. He kept these in spiral notebooks while he was in Vietnam. These come from Chris LaFrieda’s collection of material. You will remember that Chris is the guy that organized the search for Forrest’s plane some 50 years after Forrest was shot down in Laos. It’s a great story.

You can find that story HERE

There is a guide to the “pilot language” contained in the below photos. The guide is at the bottom of this page…just before the comments.

You can click on any photo to make it larger and easier to read.

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Forrest kept a mission log or flight log of every mission he flew in Vietnam. The entries were generally made as soon as he got back to his hut after a mission, while the details were still locked in his brain. 

At the top of the page is the date and the mission number. Below that are the callsigns and aircraft numbers of  all the pilots in the flight. There is also a radio frequency that they all used to communicate. This frequency changed for each mission so that the enemy had a harder time trying to listen in.

Then there is a list of mission particulars by abbreviation.

FAC
Forward Air Controller. This person, in a separate aircraft, ensures that attack aircraft hit the intended target and do not injure friendly troops. Forrest often refers to them by their call sign. The FAC is generally on target before the flight arrives and gives the flight final instructions about what is happening on the ground and last minute details of the mission including if there are friendlies around, where they are and where the enemy is located. 

TGT
Target. Usually coordinates and a description. The coordinates are military coordinates as delineated on a military map, These coordinates have no relationship to the world coordinates that civilian maps use.

BDA
Bomb Damage Assessment. This is Forrest’s assessment of the mission success or bombs that hit the target compared to the number of bombs deployed.

RNDZ
Rendezvous. This is the staging area where all aircraft in the flight meet up to begin their mission. A rendezvous point is necessary because the aircraft take off one at a time and are not immediately together. After take off they head for the rendezvous point where they all meet up get any updates and head for the target.

T/O
Usually lists the take off time and then the time on the target and the time they left the target.

Forrest also sometimes mentions the weapons he was carrying. CBU-34 means a type of Cluster Bomb Unit. These are the small bomblets Forrest talks about dropping. They are the size of a softball and there are hundreds in a container. Once the pilot opens the container the bomblets fall out. Different bomblets are designed for different missions. Some are anti-personnel. Some are incendiary. Some are designed to destroy bridges and other infrastructure…etc.

An F-100 could carry many different weapons from dumb bombs to smart rockets to cannisters of bomblets to napalm. The weapons they ultimately carried were determined by the target they were going after.

 

 

 

 

 

 

305 thoughts on “Scrapbook Two Hundred Fifty Four…

    • I believe in the beginning Dal actually authored the scrap books… Many of them… Thanks Dal going to watch the video now…

      • What’s going on in here. Geez, everyone is gone too, who’s gonna complainf. I really liked the video, it’s not often to listen to someone narrate the real footage. Rinds me of using fin cans for flower pots.

  1. Thank you for the scrapbook, Dal. Watching Mr. Fenn’s missions on the video and hearing him explain it was amazing! So many times while watching it, I kept saying, “Wow!!!” His country and duty called and he served.

    • He sure did. Admirably, I’d say. I don’t blame him for being relatively anti-war
      after his military career ended. As always, IMO.

    • I believe Dal is continuing what Forrest started. I’m very thankful for Dal coming out with this. Is it possible the Chase is still on? I’m extremely sorry for The loss of Forrest and all he did for people in need. I feel somewhat responsible for the many events that Could have taken place this year and those that did. I hope Dal continues to enlighten us with Facts about Forrest and his life. I didn’t know Forrest personally except for replies on the scrapbooks, and throughout this whole process I feel Forrest was able to learn something about me, good or bad. I feel that Dal lost a very close friend and I am stumbling for the right words to express my gratitude for how Forrest influenced my life and others around me. Thank you Dal
      for all you have done and all you do in the future. It’s great to know that the scrapbooks are still up and new ones being added.

  2. Thanks Dal, it was nice to hear Forrest from the past…Thanks for sharing!!!
    Your a lucky man to have sat with Forrest and listened first hand to his accounts of military action. To watch video and live commentary is rare and I’m sure you truly treasure the memories.

  3. If we could all just learn that one thing, “can’t we all just get along” the world would be a better place!! It was a better place with Forrest in it!! I still miss my friend!! Thanks for all you share, Dal

  4. #254 proof that f was tuff as nails and if you think the hike from the sedan to hiding place was easy…I’ll bet you are wrong.

  5. Page 122 of Too Far To Walk Illustrates how deeply the war in Vietnam affected the Major. On page 122 of The Thrill of the Chase are people and places that had a profound influence in making Forrest the person he was. IMHO, the number 122 plays a critical role in the Chase.

    • I believe the number 16 to be playing an even larger role in the Chase. Back in March ((SB 250) Forrest posted that BOTG would resume 1 June.

      Then the treasure was reported found June 6. The photos came to light on June *16*.

      Forrest passed away Labor Day. Exactly 16 days later, the Finder posted his story. NOW, 16 days after that, this Scrapbook is posted. The more I look, the more sixteens I find.

      NBD

      • Are you taking all this *16* stuff as hints or clues regarding how to solve
        the poem? I wouldn’t. I don’t think any math or numbers at all are involved in a correct solve. But Forrest’s writing(s) about pie may be a
        small hint. Perhaps very small. As always, IMO.

        • I am still trying to decide how 16 is related to the chase. I do know 16 (and multiples of 16) seems to show up a lot this year. In a poem of 6 stanzas of 4 lines, (64), it seems to me to be part of some design.

          IF the pattern holds true, there are only 2 more Scrapbooks to appear. Then there will be no more.

          NBD

  6. Thank you Dal for publishing this video. It is hard to believe they flew the jets this low. It is clear in Forrests voice how he felt about the missions. Thanks for sharing.

  7. I could watch this over and over. Beautiful but horrible at the same time. You’re a lucky man to have had that relationship with Forrest. I felt like I was sitting next to my grampa.

    • I never saw any beauty in war. But I saw some interesting things. Have you
      ever seen videos of atomic explosions? I find it awesomely fascinating, but also
      horrifyingly scary at the same time.

  8. This is amazing to watch. I’m surprised the government allowed Forrest to keep these films.
    Dal, did Forrest tell you how he was able to have these films? Maybe declassified?
    Either way it was nice to hear Forrest voice again, I really miss him 🙁

  9. Without ff, Some days are gonna be harder than others.
    “Give peace a chance”

    Thanks Dal, for sharing this intimate view.
    I wanted to talk w f about this part of his life but I never knew how to approach the subject. 🙁 <3
    How do you rrrreally thank someone for something so polarizing and deeply impactful.
    It just…. is. Breathe

    • I believe “union” is the core word. It is a means of discipline for many eastern spiritualists and where even strangers are considered family.

  10. Dal thanks for sharing this, it is hard to watch without realizing the constant danger our pilots faced, patriots in a cause that was often unappreciated by the American Public, I know I lived it too.
    I do not know if you have heard this comment by George Armstrong Patton, but it is clear to me that the message of war is winning the battle, even in a lost cause… “No dumb B* ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb B* die for his country.”
    Like it or not war is a commitment in all-out support for a cause, even a losing one.
    Bring home the troops, and lets let other people alone until we are attacked, then hear the words of great warriors like Patton, Fenn and Audie Leon Murphy, he too was a Texan.

    TT

    • Fenn will reincarnate as a victim of war. One day he will learn to not kill and will find peace. I relate to his path. Patton said

      Through a Glass Darkly,
      Perhaps I stabbed our Savior
      In His sacred helpless side.
      Yet I’ve called His name in blessing
      When in after times I died.

      Through the travail of the ages
      Midst the pomp and toil of war
      Have I fought and strove and perished
      Countless times upon this star.

      I have sinned and I have suffered
      Played the hero and the knave
      Fought for belly, shame or country
      And for each have found a grave.

      So as through a glass and darkly
      The age long strife I see
      Where I fought in many guises,
      Many names — but always me.

      So forever in the future
      Shall I battle as of yore,
      Dying to be born a fighter
      But to die again once more.

      Live and learn

  11. My heart just hurts so deeply. For you and his family. If you are ever in Detroit do come by and we have to talk. you have my e mail.
    My husband would have loved to join me in my journeys but he had to stay home with the dogs.

    You shared your friend with the world and we are forever, thank ful for the journey.
    Karen Ruth Teacher from Detroit.

  12. Thank you so much for sharing the artifact Dal. To hear Forrest again is wonderful.

    I really envy the time you had with Forrest Dal, especially the things you learned from him.

    Pinatubocharlie

  13. We updated this page and added a number of photos from Forrest’s Flight Logs in Vietnam. The photos came from Chris LaFrieda’s collection of materials. They really add a great deal of depth to this story. You can see a description of the mission as well as technical details. Look on the page above for the update…

      • I enjoyed that as well. He was extremely maticulous with details is the part that stands out to me. This begs many questions about unanswered questions.

    • I know the treasure has been found…but are we still suppose to be looking for hints, in everything.

      I can’t help myself. There may be something wrong with me, but I will wait to get professional help until the spring.

  14. This scrapbook is perhaps the most profound and complex scrapbook of all the Fenn scrapbooks I’ve read, one which at least unconsciously grapples with a profound philosophical/social problem I’ve been thinking about.

    Let me see if I can put the problem at least somewhat clearly. In the arts there is the question of whether society should accept artworks by artists who are morally questionable, or to put it into extreme form, whether society should accept brilliant and/or good works of art which have been produced by people who themselves have been bad people, for example accepting Caravaggio despite him being a murderer, or accepting Picasso despite his ill treatment of women and so on. And then there is the opposite or flip problem (but obviously related to the former problem) of what to do when we are faced with people who are good, of relatively good morals, who have come up with ideas or inventions which are morally problematic, such as Nobel inventing dynamite, or the good person/people who led to plastics polluting the environment, or the inventors of all the various forms of communication leading to propaganda, problems of social media and so on,–not to mention all the good physicists who have led to nuclear technology.

    This scrapbook about Fenn has Fenn, presumably a good person, involved in what was called a good war, designed by people apparently without bad morals (the “best and brightest”), and powered by technology (bombs, fighter planes) designed by relatively good people, and the outcome at least, going by this gun footage, is sheer destruction of people, infrastructure, the natural environment. And Fenn, a relatively good person, managed to acquire great wealth by I suppose society approved/good means (Santa Fe gallery), and eventually designed a treasure hunt called The Thrill of the Chase which leads apparently to one winner and a significant number of disappointed losers, and…well, you get the picture: It’s incredibly difficult to figure out right or wrong here, and while things would be made so much easier (apparently) if we could pinpoint Fenn as a bad person (and consequently declare all he does bad, like a morally questionable artist automatically suspect despite producing great works) we are faced with a more or less good person involved in a variety of questionable activities (everything from war to dealing in Native American goods to designing a morally problematic treasure hunt) which makes everything so much more complex, so complex I’m certain I’m not writing about it clearly enough here.

    The whole problem makes me ask a simple but devilishly complex question: What is clean money, what is money you can be proud to have earned, money which does not weigh on conscience, and what is money that you can be proud to accept from another person, that you can be more or less sure has not been acquired in harmful manner? If it’s not right, as some people say, that you should admire artworks created by bad people is it any better to say accept a prize named after the person who invented dynamite (Nobel), or in general to make money from something which is suspect as to its effects no matter how moral the originator?

    This scrapbook is not without hints, if we can take the My War for Me chapter of Thrill of Chase to be important, but it also concentrates the moral quandary of the My War for Me chapter, raises the intensity of moral problem of chapter. I’m not sure a solution to poem, retrieval of treasure, can avoid deep moral/philosophical questioning, in fact to point of a Catch-22, whether a person would be comfortable accepting such a treasure at all. The real treasure seems to me truly understanding what the Chase is all about and if you can make headway on some of the deep philosophical problems it raises, whether you can improve in some sense on problems of Catcher in the Rye, Gatsby, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Omar Khayyam. Whether you can make some headway on the hard road to wisdom.

    • Thoughtful post, Tenderfoot.

      We visited the ghost town of Virginia City, Montana a couple of years ago and took the Alder Gulch railroad to Nevada City. One hundred and fifty years ago the area was a hotspot of gold mining. Spoil tips still line the mile track. Nature hasn’t recovered from the damage. The original treaties gave the land to Indigenous tribes, but once gold was discovered the tribes that had lived there for millennia were hounded off the land. When the gold was exhausted the area was abandoned. A high cost was paid for the shiny stuff. Was it worth it? Those miners must have felt the thrill of that chase the way we have felt about this one. And then those dreams turned to dust, and they moved on.

      Our histories show our collective imperfections, and our interpretations or perception of history evolves through our own experience and needs. None of us are perfect. It’s an awesome responsibility to know that, to acknowledge those imperfections, to forgive, and (with resolve to do better) to still carry on.

      The older I get the more important it seems to tread lightly to stay in balance.

    • That’s a great question. If I remember correctly, the mission where he was shot down the second time was not recorded (or lacking detail) because the mission card ended up in the wreckage. The trip to the waterfall was not an official mission, so it would not have been in the log.

        • I searched for this. It only (to my uncertain knowledge) shows up
          on websites related to the Fenn treasure hunt. So I am quite
          skeptical that it’s a common thing. But I suppose that you could
          grind up some bronze and teach a dog to identify it. Kinda like the
          way dogs are trained to sniff for drugs. As always, in my opinion.

    • Thank you for the link to Cynthia’s video, Dal. It’s interesting to see the area. I’m wondering if Mr. Fenn could have hopped over the creek, that everyone did in the video, carrying the 20 lbs. of treasure chest, and the 22 lbs. of treasure thereafter. I believe we’ve been told he was 79/80 years old when he hid it. If this was the spot, I wonder what made it so special? Either way, it looked like it was a beautiful day for a search whether it is or isn’t the spot.

        • Hello Cholly. It’s possible, but somehow it’s hard for me to see Mr. Fenn asking searchers/families to wade across and having their footwear get wet. This is just my thought and could very well be wrong.

    • They said the solution was sent anonymously from someone to Cowlazers. So not there solution.
      Its interesting but it may be a race to an agenda of ending the doc. Many people on dals also saw numbers in the poem. We know several who where close.

    • Having watched the video, I don’t know Cynthia et all or their true intentions. And from the video I cannot honestly determine their sincerity.

      But this seems an exaggerated approach to goad the Finder into the conversation.

    • You mean the Bronze sniffing dog in the video? The gps the source told them did not fit the location.
      Did not match. Lots of questions.
      About that. Poor Forrest will they just let him rest in peace?

  15. I like Cynthia and others! Wondering what the 200/500 foot folks think? Those blazes wouldn’t be there 100 years from now is only problem.

    • Yeah it still doesn’t have the “wow” factor that Forrest hinted that we would laugh and say “why did it take me so long?” Also 1.1 miles is not too far to walk. And what about no place for the meek? Still too many questions….

      • KDD, school kids have to walk to school if one mile or less! At least in some states….but agree not much wow, but he said it was special to him. Where is this point in relation to boundaries, borders, counties state lines etc. Is it a unique spot relative to any known event? Did he do some survey work there years ago, make a trail for the park service? I sure thought this site would have shut down by now, it keeps on going, I always looked forward to Sunday nights knowing Dal would have something new going on! Wondering what folks are all up to. I bought a single wide in a senior park, loving it, I call it my summer home! Also, starting to mess around with Robinhood trading Ap and learning about options trading, I guess that what boomers do!

  16. Cho- my blaze is good for a thousand years. I offered to show dal and he optioned to pass and wait for it to play out on blog. Said he was done searching because chest had been found! Btw- i am a 1ft folk.

    • @BRC. intriguing! so many questions to learn answers to from the real finder someday! what’s is worth, was there anything else in there that made the finder make contact, some day, some day!

        • I never believed that knowing about the double omegas would help solve the poem, or confirm a good solve. So I don’t let myself
          be distracted by them. Just another rabbit hole, IMO.

          • tall andrew
            You may want to rethink the omegas.
            The reason being the omegas shown are upper case,the lower case is the symbol “w”. So it might mean a place in Wyoming that starts with letter w. For instance Fort Washakie. It has the gravesite of Sacajawea, it’s just southeast of Yellowstone, where warm waters halt and southwest of Thermopolis, a famous Greek battle site.
            It’s the area where Leonister of the Spartans fought off the persian invasion.

            Or it could mean that chest never left New Mexico.
            It may be the Omega site on omega road in Loa Alamos.
            just saying
            w

        • tall andrew
          In my solve it,s 660′ from the blaze.
          line 16 Take just ten chain paces to hedge.
          line 9 ca.(about) three plethron from item of seek.
          a plethron is ancient Greek linear of about 100′, it also has another value. In area measurement it’s ten thousand 200 sq. feet, I think we have heard that number from ff.
          w

          • tall andrew

            I’m sorry I didn’t explain the 3 plethron,I was interrupted
            with a major catastrophe, I forgot and left the toilet seat up,again, which my wife DID NOT find amusing at all and let know it. Anyway, the 300 feet is the distance from the entrance to the location of the blaze to the blaze. Sorry bout that.
            w

          • Hi Wayne.

            I was reading your conversation and I hope you don’t mind a question.

            You mentioned something about the Entrance to a Location, and Blaze to Blaze being 300 feet.

            Are you saying you have a Fake Blaze and it is 300 feet to the real Blaze…or maybe I missed some of the conversation.

  17. Cynthia & team,

    That was a really nice way to wrap it up and find personal closure. I appreciate your well thought out team oriented solution.

    After watching the video I am very interested to know your thoughts on the following:

    1. If you found the hiding spot, what do you believe made that exact location so very special to Forrest? Did he camp there with skippy? Was there a favorite fishing hole nearby?

    2. As a Montana native, the 1988 Yellowstone Park fire is still paramount in my memory. We locals watched helplessly for months as the BLM/federal gov’t & Bill Clinton refused to step in and fight the fire which wiped out 793,880 acres or 36 percent of a national treasure…YNP.

    In 2017 when I visited Forrest at his home we spoke of how sad/empty the fire left both of us, noting it took 30-40 years for the land to heal itself from the fire. Because of my conversation with Forrest regarding the Yellowstone Park fire and our mutual distaste for BLM fire policy, I personally don’t believe he left his treasure trove inside YNP. Additionally, Forrest spoke of the devastating fire at Viveash Mesa. Given those thoughts Forrest spoke about, do you believe he left his treasured possessions in a national park where the governing laws state that all lightening fires must be left to run the course of nature…or burn themselves out even if those fires burn down our nations treasured lands?

    These are just my thoughts, but perhaps a piece of the puzzle needed to understand Forrest and lead to the location.

    • The location of the hidey place may be relatively safe from forest fires. Yeah, I
      know what FF said about the possible scorching. If you can imagine a small
      grove of trees, or even a single tree, surrounded by relatively bare, rocky ground, on a mountainside or low area where lightning won’t strike, then it might be likely that a forest fire wouldn’t have fuel in order to spread to that small grove or single tree . . . barring arson or something like that caused by people. As always, IMO.

  18. Cynthia , thank you for the video. I always love to see Yellowstone, beautiful.

    The DOODLE that Forrest sent you is really good. Everyone do themselves a favor and google Doodle wikipedia and etymology of the word. It ties to Drawing in the poem and Forrest last story to us the squirt. A doodle is a Dude. A doodle is a fantasy or Thrill.

    Also the pad next to the phone in scrapbook 107 is a Doodle pad. Forrest was referencing doodle in that scrapbook. Doodle means fool or simpleton. Forrest always said he was a simple man. A simple man is also Rustic which means wood.

    Notice in the scrapbook how Forrest is mad or angry. He even says mad in the Squirt story which also references the same big idea. A fool is a madman. When I think of madman I think of madison.

    The doodle that Forrest gave you shows a female jumping. In the original picture to Ardia there are flames and a demon in the underground. This is no place for the meek. Interesting that Gibbon means demon. The lar Gibbon.

    But I also think that Forrest may be representing the Madison as madman and therefore no place for the meek. So does the picture say you must cross the Madison? Miss Ford means cross. By a Bridge on the Madison in Wyoming? Not sure but I do know that Forrest referenced Doodle in both stories SB 107 and the squirt and there are doodles everywhere in scrabooks and in the book TTOTC. The first time I read the book I said to myself why so many pencil drawings or sketches in a fancy looking book? Now I know they are doodles.

    • Doodle is to scribble or Write. Write is also a clerk or Secretary.

      A secretary is a person who keeps secrets. Interesting that the Madison is named after James Madison, Secretary of state.

      Just a thought but the Madiosn and Gibbon areas seem like he is hinting to those areas in his last writings or doodles to us.

  19. Thanks for giving us this SB and sharing this clip with us Dal. Hearing Forrest narrate these moments on film is priceless. It made me sad though to think of all the human loss and destruction of such beautiful lands. But I guess some things will never change…….

  20. In light of any GPS solution, I would echo remarks from those who identify what appears to be stark inaccuracies in Forrest’s comments about the chase over the years. If this be the reality, our efforts to decipher the narrative “clues” would have been futile. Meaningless narrative “clues” would have protected the chest from avid searchers who discounted shortcuts as Forrest advised. A close focus on the poem narrative content may have made it actually harder to find the chest. If the coordinates were indeed embedded in the poem, then these many inconsistencies become hard to politely resolve. We all hope that talk of a GPS solution is soon busted, but if not, let me at least try to make a stab at it.

    The idea of an embedded double (omega) solution could provide loyalists at least a partial defense against claims that we were all intentionally misled. I am not cynical enough to believe that Forrest purposely sabotaged our progress over all these years. That makes less sense than the GPS solution itself. If this GPS solution is confirmed, I instead would like to believe that Forrest assumed that the narrative clues were far more likely to lead to the chest than his hidden staircase. He might have imagined that the coordinates would only be discovered years after the finder described his or her route through the nine narrative clues. This double embedded solution would then have been amusing. He also may have assumed that no one would give serious consideration to any of the many poem coordinate solutions without a narrative interpretation that already brought the searcher to the brink. Either way, his focus would have been legitimatedly on his conventional (general) nine-clue solution as always assumed. In this eventuality, searchers could fault him for outsmarting himself with the embedded coordinates, but not necessarily feel sabotaged by purposeful misdirection.

    The problem with a benign double embedded solution, however, is that the DeLacy Creek entry seems to leave searchers out in the brush more than 1,600 feet from the possible tree blazes. An acceptable “general” solution should have had an even higher potential for intersecting those two curious blaze trees. I’m inclined to think that a western Norris Pass entrance might be worth closer consideration. Yes, the canyon down (south) would be less than 3,000 feet (hardly too far to walk), but Norris Pass was an old trail (definitely not for the meek) between “two unnamed hills” (heavy loads?) along the Continental Divide. A Brown connection to the pass originators (Philetus and/or John Norris) could not be found, but perhaps other searchers would be more successful. The interesting benefit of a Norris Pass HOB would be that it spits searchers out just southwest of the chest (44.432011, -110.707432). The end of the chase would then have been drawing nigh (to the left). From that spot the wise searcher would hike dead straight to the water high intersection of Dry (no paddle) and DeLacy Creeks in pursuit of the blaze(s) which would be intersected just 700
    feet away. The absence of a Brown connection to Norris Pass is obviously problematic, but the obscure, distant, and imprecise DeLacy Creek connections to the chest are equally dubious. There must be a better explanation for Forrest’s communications about the narrative clues if he knew that there was also a poem shortcut. In lieu of the finder coming out of his inexplicable seclusion, this quandary will remain. Without an explanation from the finder, it seems unwise to dismiss out of hand Kpro’s evidence that her source was informed regarding a GPS solution.

    • And if the Caldera ever actually blew, it would have never been found. Believe that Forrest was much smarter than to put it in that area.

    • Alan King

      I think the poem gives us the GPS of the chest and the blaze.

      line 13: you have found the blaze be wise ‘n find TEE
      tee in ancient greek numbers: T=300 E=5 = 355
      line 14 has 7 words and 31 letters =731. now add 3+1=4 , 31-7=24. why add and subtract, he told us to do this in his sb 102, he was trying to find Dal’s age.

      So the gps is 35*54’24” N Lat. on google maps it’s 35.906666
      line twelve: 106*18’7.2″ W or on google it’s 106.301988W. 1988
      by the way this is the year or “grapette”, that he got got sick.
      grape is synonym for year.
      w

      • There were two trees on opposite sides of the nook with bark curiously cut away. They apparently later concluded that the blaze was actually the coordinates themselves which would make the entire solution the derivation of the coordinates from the poem. IMO that would render all of the other narrative clues pretty much irrelevant. Conversely, the two tree cut outs did look pretty unusual given their distinctive location. They at least keep a viable narrative solution alive which is pretty important to me if this GPS location proves true.

        • I agree with you Alan, this is really a stretch in my mind as well.

          First, the blaze will be there a 1000 years from now. A tree will not.
          And the finder took the picture of the chest only a few feet from where he found it he told us and in the reflection is a clear view of a Mountain. You can’t see a mountain in all that dense forest.
          Also no place for the meek is not to go on foot. To go on foot or hike is a great thing, not scary.
          Too many holes in this solve. Did I just say hole?

          Atleast Forrest gave Cynthia a nice doodle of Miss Ford.

  21. nomadic

    sorry wasn’t quite clear on that.
    As I read the poem it will take you to the entrance where blaze is, it’s another 300′ feet to the blaze.

  22. Now that’s some impressive video. I had to smile while listening to it. And watching those shockwaves bursting below was crazy.

    It’s kinda like everything else in life…outa sight, outa mind. It happens all the time for many. Mother nature is a good example of that thinking/stigma as well.outa sight, outa mind.

    ByGeorge

  23. So far, all “correct” solves presented have one thing in common. They underestimate the genius of Forrest Fenn. It took him 15 years to design. It took someone 5 years to crack. Expect a puzzle like you’ve never seen before. Expect a correct solve that requires a long complex explanation, but in the end even a child can understand. Expect a solve that brings together elements from the poem, the books, the scrapbooks, videos, interviews etc. all carefully woven together into a brilliant integrated artistic masterpiece. If it doesn’t meet that criteria it’s not the real McCoy. Wait for it. It will be worth the wait. In the mean time, enjoy the Tomfoolery.

  24. In Scrapbook 247 – “Wherever the Bugle Blows”, Forrest repeated his story of being rescued in South Vietnam. The collage painting of the Stars and Stripes shows that he is a proud American that will defend his country. However, I believe he learned that everything is not always what you are told.

    This story is repeated throughout history. Every time gold was found on American Indian land, suddenly treaties were broken.

    He gave us many words that were key; contentment was one such word. It will get you one step closer to your personal treasure.

    ~nm

    • I had always thought that Forrest was going to blow the bugle to start the Chase this season. It was a short season…but it does seem to be dragging on.

      I had thought the use of STARS again was a hint. I guess the Finder knows.

      • I know that the Beartooth highway is closed. I think Yellowstone roads close on November 2nd. As for the rest of the Rockies I’m not sure, not much to see there far as treasure boxes go I don’t reckon. Down with Wyoming solves.

      • nomadic
        I agree I think the blaze was the N.M. state flag, a red zuni star on a yellow background. Did you know that it’s the only state flag that does not have the colors blue or white, ever notice that seemed to be wearing a blue and white shirt? Did you ever notice the hide on his wall behind his couch has a sun on it? And have you noticed the statue of RA hanging
        on his wall a Zuni pot.
        w

        • Wayne, you bring up some thoughts that are new to me. I missed that star and I will check out the others. I have researched and searched both New Mexico and Wyoming, and they were both great solutions. I am still open minded about what the ending is. If the Finder does not tell us, I will be searching until something makes sense…or until I return to the stars.

      • Stars Stars and more Stars. You should have it all figured out by now. Keep reaching, for the stars. There’s over a billion to choose from. Keep it simple. Don’t get confused and good luck to ya! Oops…only 999,999,999 to go.

          • JDA – If I didn’t know better, I might assume you were trying to pull the wool somewhere… but I’m too busy watching your awesome dance moves!

  25. nomadic
    I don’t know what happened but the last sentence of my post got edited, it should say,
    the lamp on his side table is a Zuni pot made into a lamp.
    w

  26. nomadic
    Nice to see the interest
    I have some more finds to consider.
    If you can find the time watch the video in sb 187. Notice the dress Kerri is wearing, sun dress
    blue and white F’s, shirt same. Notice the logo on the boy’s shirt it’s a sign of the zodiac for pisces and if you remember Peggy wearing her bathing suit with the sign for saggitarius, it looks like an anchor, both are symbols for the sun.
    I have many finds if you are interested. Like the name Willie, as in Willie and Linda Loma in death of of a salesman, it’s very similar to Linda Lomar park in Los Alamos.
    Oh I almost forgot the jacket from Viet Nam , the American flag next to a star with years 66-67 these numbers are important the show up in some other sb. So if you’re interested I have lots more this just the beginning, let me know.

    • Wayne, I watched the video in 187 last night. Nice family and I looked at the dress color and pattern. It did not connect with me, but I did notice the star on the jacket.

      The question is, what does it mean. I like your ideas.

      • nomadic

        the colors on the dress a blue and white sundress: N.M. state flag is the only state flag that doesn’t have those colors. Did you see the sculpture of RA, the Egyptian God of the sun, the lamp beside his couch, it’s
        Zuni pottery made into a lamp. The Zuni revered the sun. It has four points representing the the four points on a compass,you have heard f say ” all you need is a compass and a good map,” also the four parts to a day, morning, afternoon,evening,night,” f hid the chest in one afternoon”, it also meant the four stages of life,” infant,childhood,adult
        old age. isn’t that what his book is all about, his four stages of life?
        in other words he references Zuni symbol thru out his sb’s and his stories. The Zuni indians lived on the Parijito Plateau only they called it Tsideh.
        My find on this is Line four
        In endow ranchland of Tsideh
        I think what he is saying here the Loa Lamos Ranchschool in Los Alamos.
        Ashley Pond founded the school and named the place Loa Alamos
        which means the poplars or cottenwoods.
        He once talked about how he would fly round Europe with atomic bombs on his wings, not true they did not do that, it was to dangerous.
        He also told a story about his Plymouth Tudor that was found by a prof. at the National Lab. in Loa Alamos, also not true. Plymouth did not make a Tudor, Ford did, it was the only car to have a V8, witch by the way was Clyde Barrows favorite car to steal. That’s some of reasons why I’m thinking that the chest never left N.M.
        I have lots more.

    • Brian u,

      Since Forrest has been gone, I’m not sure there’s anyone tending the juniper on the fire anymore. I did get an automated text message reply from someone named Jennifer, but the response seemed kind of rude, so I’m not sure email is the right way either.

      Truth is, I’ve been using smoke signals for a long time without any positive response. Maybe I’m speaking the wrong native language. Then again, maybe I’m waving the wrong checkered blanket. 🙂

      It’s official… “Yep, I Don’t Know”

      • Thanks for the link Dal. I replied on the Peggy page when I should have replied here. It says that the new revised edition of “Once upon a while” has a new 40th story. I wonder what that could be……..

        • I read it twice the other night. And just like most of the SB’s it’s brutal. Right brain/left brain or no brain/brainer.

          But last night I was looking at the scope of the enormity of the Chase, and to me it’s mind bogglingly crazy.

          The crops coming along and I really just want to enjoy some time to myself. Should be enjoyable.

          ByGeorge

      • I appreciate that the Fenn family needed closure from this chase.

        I wonder if they are selling off Forrest’s collections or converting his home into a Santa Fe museum?

      • My only on-going concern is Forrest’s Cancer Fund from TTOTC book sales.That fund had gotten quite large the last time I saw the numbers and that was after Forrest had helped at least two folks with an infusion of cash to pay for cancer treatment costs. Not only do I want to see the fund continue to grow but I’d like to see it administered properly.
        Unfortunately, the family has not said anything about that fund. I hope they don’t think we forgot about it.

        • Dal,
          You’re right. Continuing to help cancer patients would be really important to Forrest.

          Perhaps you could ask Dorothy and Shiloh who will be stewarding those funds in Forrest’s honor going forward.
          They may have forgotten.

      • Thank you Dal for all these exciting years. I hope the thrill is not over, as i predict that the real finder (not in Medium) will release a few pieces of evidence and eventually some clues one day. I am sure the finder must have tied hands and probably dealing with ff’s lawyers, but it is Forrest’s wishes. I know who the lucky one is, but I won’t to say. He truly is the nicest man and almost as genius as FF! 🙂 Hope you are well Dal!

  27. Because Dal’s site has been like Forrest medium for all. We all were left thinking our
    own thoughts. You know no solve no nothing and selling it and the suitcase thing.
    The place is not for me to visit. I guess I could express my thought.
    I liked calling the chase epic. But I think that Folk Lore for me is more fitting.
    My own thoughts. You have three books. Titled for purpose. Filled with interesting
    some personal stories. Life filled with thrilling chase. A place unreachable and
    To fish the heavens for the Pioneers. IMO only. First the familiar comfort of home
    and fire place. A second Omega. The what if’s. A heavens water stop. Why/Y….. to go east
    and straight for a paradise. To lay one’s self there and watch. This is where you reach
    Folk Lore. Not for me to visit. I stayed home too. Would you be able to greet someone.
    A cowboy on horse stops and looks up say’s did you do that you rascal. An indian runs
    and jumps over. Waiting to greet a wagon. Thats where I reach Folk Lore.
    I would say to Forrest that home is where the heart is and the preferred one.
    Omega one to myself.
    Ok back to earth. Lets see. The park rangers. You can’t pitch pup tents here.
    Hey who put this bell here. Shoshone lake has good fishing, big Browns and a
    long way to go. How much of Yellowstone was half fishing and half exploring
    back in those years ago. I researched isa lake a few years ago. North of it is
    a granite quarry the base stones for the fireplace at old faithful Inn were taken.
    I like the one about the old restaurant guy ordered teas from around the globe.

    I hope the Fenn family is doing well. I ordered a small grove. Five trees for Santa Fe
    Forrest.
    I just posted again with all the excitement as of late. I don’t know anything about
    forrest thoughts. We know he got better and it messed up his first plan.
    I express opinions with no real knowledge of anything.
    But sense home is where my heart is and computer.
    I felt I wanted to make another post. Mostly to wish Kelly and Zoe some wellness.
    And a pocket full of stars to Forrest. You Rascal you.
    Mark..

    • Good info Markt. I feel that Forrest was not only a rascal but also a Rogue. Forrest liked the word Maverick however.
      Folklore upon the chase was built for the thrill is what we seek. The idol or fetish is our reward.
      The secret is kept where. And why must he go and leave his possessions here. Again the Rogue is asking an answer he has already knowledge too.

      Learn from your history common folks and teach your children where.

  28. The tone of this Scrapbook and also other stories of Forrest’s sometimes remind me of “The Things They Carried”. Like that book, understanding the feeling of a story is more important than the literal facts especially when it’s personally told- and especially when it is intended to teach a lesson.

  29. Your Best Shot

    Admitted, I liked the game a lot
    Too, others played who now are hot
    Some with fever, some snorting snot
    Still others pleased with what they got.

    Some can do and others teach
    Some sit high and live to preach
    Some the thrill wish to leach
    I’ll admit it was beyond my reach.

    Some say, he should have
    Some say, I would have
    Some bray, I could have
    If only this, I might have.

    You can’t confess you had fun?
    Then you’re stopped, your turn is done
    Take the fork, embrace your run
    Reach back, go glad , for the one.

    Again, he has gone alone
    To a place where memory is not
    Trapped in this flesh and bone.
    Nay, he revels, he gave it his best shot.

    • 4rest4fend,

      I kinda miss all the journeys y’all took us on. This was a pleasant reminder.

      I confessed and it only costed me 390.00! But I also can confess that I had a ROYAL BLAST! But a rollercoaster of a ride of highs n lows it was and we all had those.

      The amazing cast? It’s pretty “cool”. It’s like the hardest test EVER! And I just smile and reflect on all the Chasing I did, with the run-a-rounds I took and dished out…And I got to play!

      That simple fact that I was allowed to play really is all that matters to me. It’s hard to explain but I really miss those two. I confess.

      ByGeorge

  30. JDA, bloggers here raised thousands of $ to fund Focussed on publishing his book of poetry. I haven’t seen anything from Focussed. Do you know anything about the book of poetry being completed.

    • James Bynum (Focused) had a couple of personal issues for a bit, that took him away from editing, but is now hard at work on getting the book edited and doing layout. It is now moving along nicely, as I undwesrand. Hope to hear from James soon with some good news – JDA

  31. My wife was 16 days old when Forrest bombed near her hometown Pleiku. Her birthday is 6/6/68. They tell me stories but I cannot imagine the terror of the North Vietnamese/US conflicts which lead to their coming to the US finally in the Fall of Saigon.

  32. I wish I could have have a book of all the scrapbooks together. I know 39-40 of them were in once upon a while, but I wish I could have them all with their pictures as well. Wishful thinking.

  33. Poem, Make Something

    When you make a goal
    are you lost or found?
    Are you a happy soul
    or loosely bound?

    Do you need direction
    or do you know the way?
    Will triumph escape detection
    or find a brighter day?

    And a two beat poem
    the shadow of a smile
    Left us and rows that need hoein’
    Owing to owning our own once upon while.

  34. I have not posted for awhile but you would think that positive thinkers
    could put our thoughts together to figure the end results of this poem.
    AIMO besides coordinates in the poem there is an address that starts you where wwh is in my opinion.The hob is there the wise is there and you don’t have to go in one .

  35. Question….
    The first photo of the “found” chest shows a rusted key. The key has a hole in the handle end.

    In Scrapbook 158 it shows a photo of a pre-hidden chest with a key that has a solid handle end….no hole. These are definitely different keys.

    So if it is a different key, is it also a different chest?? Two different keys wouldn’t open the same chest.

    • landhigh

      I looked at 158 but could not find the, maybe need new specs, i’ll call my optomertrist, C.F Eye care, for an exam.
      But I think if the key is there f wanted you look at it.
      Remember he said people are missing a key word I think that word was answers.
      You probably noticed although I haven’t seen anyone mention it that the poem
      in TFTW the “s” in answers is missing.
      If one was to count the number of letters in the poems you’ll find that there 602 letters in TTOTC, and 601 letters in TFTW. Using the word key
      to confirm my thinking, I went to Thesaurus .com scrolled down and found
      the word answer and answers. I think this was the clue that he said didn’t realize was in TFTW.
      I think this was a very very big clue, in that it, with a little math, it will give the route number that will take you to chest location.re if you
      I have more if interested.
      w

      w

          • ByGeorge,

            Are you saying the plastic containers above the bracelet look like a flag?

            What about the gold nuggets on top of them. In many photos they have the same arrangement…maybe in the shape of a cross or crucifix. I never made sense of it, unless it indicates that the gold is where he will eventually reside.

          • Nomadicmadman,

            I was looking at the top of the key that’s below the bracelet. It looks like a party mask now, the kind that you would have to hold up.

            I’m going crosseyed! But I’ll peak at the plastic containers. Combine rollin!

            ByGeorge

      • Wayne,
        When Forrest was asked about that missing “S”
        he said it didn’t matter in solving the poem. (Paraphrased)

        I’m not sure if The exact quote is here or at Mysterious Writings. Perhaps Zaphod has the reference .

        • Wayne,
          Here is the quote from MW about the missing S

          The Letter Count of the Poem is of no relevance to the solution needed to find the Treasure Chest.

          Mr. Fenn,

          After locating the Blaze in the poem by solving the clues, and having been led to the chest, I was disheartened to learn that there are two different versions of the poem. The version found on The Thrill of the Chase Resource page online shows:

          The answer I already know

          While the version published in your memoir reads:

          The answers I already know

          Based on the way the clues are solved to this point, it is obvious that every word and every letter are crucial. I was hoping you would be able to clarify which version of the poem is correct. Should the word answer have an S on the end to make it plural? Pehaps this one letter has no bearing on the final solution, but it is something that continually weighs on my mind.

          Hope all is well!

          Archie

          Archie,

          It makes no difference, one of them is only an innocent typo. You can pick which one. f

          • Archie
            remember ff always picked his words very carefully.
            If the s is a clue he is not going to confirm or deny.
            I looked up the word relevance, it has many meanings.
            Like necessity meaning it’s not really needed but helpful.
            It also means: check,indulgence,liaison we have heard these words from him before.
            have more if interested.
            w

        • Hi 42,

          My final solve attempt in Colorado actually led to an “S”. Then when it was announced the treasure was found in Wyoming my solve attempt there also led to an “S”. The Colorado solve provided a heading to the Wyoming location.

          A fun tidbit is the “S” on the side of the Sangre de Christos mountains outside of Santa Fe that is visible in Winter formed by the snowpack. We could see it regularly from the Los Alamos Mesa where I grew up.

    • Hi Landhigh — been away from Dal’s for some time so slow to see your post about the key in SB 158. Since no one yet correctly answered your discrepancy question, I can tell you that that key is for winding the gold repeater watch that the dragon coat bracelet is encircling. You can see the circular winding hole near the top of the watch.

  36. Has anyone ever been out to Enduring Falls on Buffallo Creek in Yellowstone? And is it called something else now? It doesn’t have it listed on Google Earth, but it is on Natural Atlas. Does anyone have a picture of it?

      • Thanks, pdenver. It’s weird that you can find that on Natural Atlas but not on Google Earth. There are a lot of similarities between the word endure and the poem. Even down to the origin of the word.
        From a word for a tree known for its hard and durable wood, we get endure, a word that evokes both lastingness (durability) and the ability to withstand or bear. Its history tells you why.
        Some synonyms of endure: brave, go through, take, know, stick.
        Some antonyms of endure: Cease, go, leave, halt.
        That could be what he meant by “riches new and old.” He’s describing endure and the opposite of endure.

  37. “Confusion or Coincidence”

    Coincidences, what might they be
    an answer a question some say the key
    Decisions made to change our fate
    wavering again at a much latter date

    The path we take some keep it straight
    within obstacles formed by others debate
    A word a statement a thought from the past
    to make you believe you found it at last

    An opinion to me a fact to you
    maybe made up or possibly true
    A story passed on or embellished a tad
    it’s all the new rage a new aged fad

    A story read from a page in a book
    to make you think to take one more look
    Words viewed often changing another view
    with no common sense like sheep some ensue

    In these time of communication so quick
    in an instant much pain others inflict
    So it’s best most times to stay in the grey
    think for ourselves and mean what we say

    Are you sure I said that or did they say this
    I’m not sure actually what was their gist?
    Confusion, coincidence I’d say not
    Seems it’s happens to some quite a lot

    I’m no different mostly like the rest
    I tell the truth and try to do my best
    To take others words with a grain of salt
    Only blaming myself no others at fault

    So chive on peace out stay calm some axioms say
    Enjoy some nature before it all goes away
    The only thing constant are the stars in the sky
    We all live a life sooner or later we die

    At the end coincidences can often be real
    tend not to be fake become the real deal
    That certain feeling that brought you a chill
    Ending the chase with a hell of a thrill.

    Some leave a history of whom they are
    Others an asterisk or an unnamed star.
    The lucky venture out searching beyond what they found
    It can only be done with “ Boots On The Ground”

    • Wizened Word-smithey
      Whistles Wel-comely
      When Winds Wail Wildly
      Where We Waiting Would Wish
      One With Wisdom Would Willingly Whisper

      1 Tailblazer,
      Loved your poem

  38. Had to go back and watch the video again. Arc light came to mind and when I saw what exactly it was and did, I had imagined Mr. Fenn being in the forest with this happening. He told the story in “My War for Me”. My gosh! I think I would have thought, “This is it!”

  39. “Wonka vision”

    As we enter this new world of Wonka
    the steaming breath of Tatanka
    Down near the water the willows are a stir
    lush beneath the arms of the overlooking firs
    It’s the peace we are aiming to achieve
    It’s what we thought it’s what we would believe.
    The rhyme stated so brilliantly by Gene
    has definitely always been my favorite movie scene
    begin with lots of sweets and candy
    what appears as fine and dandy
    “Then around the world and back again
    This is kinda strange there’s no earthly way of knowing
    Which direction we are going
    There’s no knowing where we’re rowing
    Or which way the rivers flowing
    Is it raining is it snowing
    Is a Hurricane a blowing
    Not a speck of light is showing
    So the danger must be a growing
    Are the fires of hell a growing
    Is the Grizzly reaper mowing
    Yes the danger must be growing
    For the rowers keep on rowing
    And they’re certainly are not showing any
    signs they are are slowing.”

    Wonka blows the whistle at the end
    Is this the story of Forrest Fenn?
    Instead of a whistle he rang of a bell
    You find the spot cause I’ll never tale?

  40. We started this Chase learning of a case
    a missing person it seems
    We drove to a spot got out the cot
    set up to follow our dreams

    As we our made camp looking like tramps
    with a half grown scraggly beard
    He said to begin IT it could be infinite
    but it’s really the grizzly we’d feared

    He was the king this living thing that could tear a man to bits
    But all the thinking and nervous blinking
    was nerve racking I’d admit

    We brought bear spray that Autumn day
    and headed for the hills
    Looking up a tree grizzly claws I could see
    Was this the chase, the thrill

    We made lots of noise like 10 year old boys and headed into the brush
    Hey bear hey bear come out of your lair
    we yelled without a hush

    Without a warning any type of forlorning we heard a very loud crash
    The willows were whipping dirt was a flipping
    Something began to thrash

    With bear spray in hand feet firmly in sand this standoff not so funny
    It must be a beast looking to feast
    out came a furry bunny

    We laughed and laughed threw down our staffs and breathed a sigh of relief
    This searching for treasure can be a pleasure
    But also can bring lots a grief

    We got out in the woods like the poem said we should to breath a breathe of fresh air
    Chasing a chase leaving no trace
    You say the Warm Waters were where?

  41. Hello everyone,
    Since the poetry page and others ( odds and ends etc) are closed to comments ill post here. To 42 and everyone wondering about the quill of the chase. Things are now moving on my end again. I posted a few weeks back an update but it was removed because of where I placed it. I was set back a few months with personal issues but now things are going good. If you haven’t emailed me for a reminder when b its ready, or just want to chat my email is springtime1996@hotmail.com . I’ve sorry for being so slow, but for a while other things took priority…
    I decided to put “all” my poems in the book, not just the favorites… so when its released you will have the good, bad and the ugly so to speak.. lol
    Thanks to everyone for your patience… I hope you have a great evening….. until next time…. see ya

    Focused

    • Thanks for the update Focused. Any guesses as to when we might be able to buy “The Quill of the Chase? Glad things are going better for you now – STAY SAFE – JDA

      • Not yet JDA, when I get an approximate date I’ll let you know and when its ready I’ll email to everyone who requested it and post here also….
        Have a great night…my friend.. until next time… see ya

  42. Focused: Always have loved your words, happy for ya that all’s good and moving forward with your book. I love the good the bad and the ugly, look forward to it. Thanks

    Thanks 4rest4fend!!

  43. Some thought,

    Sorry Dal, only place of Dal to express.

    I’ve read The blogs and the chats.
    I’ve seen hostility, anger from the brats.
    I’ve seen compassion losing to each other.
    I’ve heard that entitlement is just another.

    FF told us all of what state.
    FF knew some would never take.
    FF own words were oppose with opposition.
    FF test proved all those superstitions.

    So why ask, where is this finder.
    so why ask him to be also kinder.
    So I expect he must deliver.
    So why is it he sits and shivers.

    We may know some day ahead.
    We may hear a voice and something read.
    We may understand to some degree.
    We may remember that great old tree.

    But not just yet.

    He said you will now, Grasshopper.

  44. With Forrest now gone, ALL I GET ARE “UNFULFILLED” dreams with the possibility of never finding out who retrieved the treasure. It’s almost like the end of the rainbow has been moved, with some vicious elf having stolen the gold and vanished into thin air.

    On the other hand, I can’t help but think that the treasure is still out there waiting for someone. Maybe if we continued to hold onto those dreams, while keeping a proper gait (or stride) in our adventures, it might allow one of us to cross destiny’s far-off finish line.

    It’s nearly like there’s a sign in everything that’s happened. Almost like Forrest is still trying to relay valuable information. Additionally, I can’t help but wonder if there are things that some people know and they’re just not telling us. What about Forrest’s statement, two can keep a secret if one of them is dead? Are there people out there hiding things?

    Due to the confusion, I sometimes feel like jumping off an old iron bridge somewhere. Not for suicidal reasons, but more just to jar me awake… maybe have the cold splash of water bring me back to my senses.

    In a way I guess I’m still waiting for more news. After all, Forrest was the type of person to boldly face the inevitable, make detailed plans, and be fully prepared for anything. Why would this change with his passing? Did he no longer care about us or the Chase?

    I’m not mad (not in the normal sense anyway), just bewildered. Surely he would have included “more” information, right? Why would he simply leave us searchers to Fenn for ourselves? (pun remorsefully intended)

    • Suzy, I understand your frustration. The end of The Chase has as many mysteries as the beginning. The way lawsuits are casually tossed around like hot cakes in this country, you can’t blame the finder for wanting to stay anonymous though. If it were me, I’d probably do the same thing.
      You never know, maybe the hunt will begin again one day. In one of the last interviews Forrest did about The Chase, KPro asked him if the person who finds the chest will own it. He said, ” I say in the poem, I give you title to the gold.” And then he added, “but there’s a lot of subchapter S’s to that rule too.” I wonder what he meant by that? Maybe the finder is tasked with hiding the gold himself.
      And you can still solve the poem. Forrest said the finder would move with confidence. So I take it that once you’re on the right path, it will be fairly obvious. What better way to honor Forrest than to work on something he worked on for so many years?
      Have you ever visited Yellowstone before? I’ve been looking for someone that knows a bit about a place called Enduring Falls that’s up Buffalo Creek.

      • Sorry NoName06, I’ve never been to Enduring Falls, nor Buffalo Creek, so I can’t help you there. Although, I must say, I’ve been Buffaloed before. Here’s a short story to prove that.

        Recently, my husband talked me into raising chickens so we bought a few cute little chicks really cheap. Since we already had a chicken coop, it seemed ideal and thought it would be good way to save some money while getting free eggs. When we bought them, we told the salesman that we wanted all hens since we wanted egg-layers. No problem, right? Except, we were Buffaloed. One of those cute little chicks turned out to be a big atrocious “HE”. Now don’t get me wrong, not that I have anything against “HE’s”, it just that “HE” likes to crow constantly. Morning, noon, or night, it makes no difference… all we hear is cock-a-doodle-doo!

        What’s really annoying, though, is that one corner of the fence enclosure comes within 15 feet of our house. Even though the shed would block most of the noise (if he stayed on that side), he seems to like spending the majority of his time in the 4 foot open corner section. I’m not sure why that is, but it’s almost like he’s purposefully trying to intimidate us and get us to come out after him. I know it sounds crazy, but he’s really getting on my last nerve.

        To be honest, I just want to go out and belt that chicken! Maybe he’d change his tune if I threatened to serve him up for supper! …Buffalo wings and all!

        • LOL Sorry, Suzy. Your story made me laugh. Try and look at it this way. The seller unknowingly gave you hen eggs for life! With the male hen you can make other little hens. Also, you can make the male hen feel good about himself because he has no other competition. He will respect you for it.
          On The Chase, look up the word endure sometime. Look at the synonyms, antonyms, and most importantly, the historical useage of that word. You will start to see a lot of words from the poem. I think the whole first stanza tells you that. When he says hint of riches new and old, I think he’s talking about opposites. So the rest of the poem is giving you examples of enduring and the opposite of enduring. As an example, “Not far, but too far to walk.” He gives you both in that one line.

        • NoName06 and nomadicMadman, I’ll say one thing… that chicken sure has an enduring sense of humor.

          And whether good or bad, you can forget about the Buffalo… “I’ve been Roostered!”

    • Suzy_S,

      I am hoping that Indulgence ends up in a museum sooner than later. I would like to visit her…I think it’s a her/she; Hershey.

      Will I be satisfied then? Probably not. I hope the Finder divulges where in Wyoming it was found…maybe a hint or a clue. Otherwise, it will turn into a life long pursuit. Perhaps a quest. Will we ever be normal/normaller again?

  45. For those who aren’t on THOR, a close friend of Forrest’s named Russ has been sharing some great stories and pictures over there. Here are a couple recent examples — @Dal: did you ever open up Forrest’s autobiography?? It was right there on the shelf, four rows below the sabre tooth cat:

    https://www.hintofriches.com/forum/the-hint-of-riches/214861-when-i-read-forrest-s-autobiography

    Here is another Russ story that shows interesting differences between some of Forrest’s quotes, and the same ones in James Parsons’ book “The Art Fever”. At the top of the chapter “The Wizard of Oz” (a title which should raise eyebrows for more than a few searchers), the French tombstone quote spells vale “veil,” and the Edna St. Vincent Millay “Second Fig” poem has “shiney (sic)” instead of “shining”. But much more interesting is the “poem” that begins the next chapter — more specifically, *who* the poem was attributed to. Either “Happy” misremembered what his grandmother told him, or his grandmother misremembered the song lyrics from “I’m Waiting For Ships that Never Come In” (Jack Yellen, 1919):

    https://www.hintofriches.com/forum/the-hint-of-riches/213415-forrest-as-the-wizard-of-oz

      • Thank you so much for this link, zaphod. I really enjoyed reading Russ’ story. I thought it was great Mr. Fenn got a signed book from Louis L’Amour. He’s my favorite Western author. When I continued reading on about Mr. Fenn’s father and how he stamped the book several times, I had remembered an earlier scrapbook of Mr. Fenn where he had written, “My Book” all over a page each year and I thought, “Like Father, like Son.” It put a smile on my face.

        • That’s a great association, pdenver, between Forrest’s somewhat eccentric behavior with the “my book” “still my book!” notations all over the place, and his father’s redundant book stamping with his name. It’s like they were overly worried about book theft. Maybe it was a Depression-era idiosyncrasy. 🙂

      • Thanks for the links, Zap! Interesting and intriguing reads!
        When considering the many hands which hold each book, even a dust jacket can become a gem of hidden wealth, quietly recording an integral time-frame of memorabilia and history.

          • Zap – That interview date was:

            Folder 201.9.125: Interview #125 – Forrest Fenn, 2006-10-17

            Was there a board meeting then? Was there one in 2009, around the same time, and is that when Forrest hid the treasure, somewhere nearby, in Wyoming?

          • Hi Lisa: I still don’t think we even know the year that Forrest hid the treasure. In March of this year, he said he hid it *more* than ten years ago, and since he has also said on multiple occasions that he hid the treasure in “summer,” then that would necessarily mean 2009 (either last week of August, or first 3 weeks of September).

            However, in one of his depositions in the Erskine Arizona case, he writes more than once that he hid the treasure in 2010. Hard for both statements to be true unless he hid, retrieved, and re-hid the treasure, or he hid more than one treasure.

          • I wasn’t familiar with it until now, Lisa. But I’ll agree…
            Initialy, it looked familiar… vocally, it speaks volumes!

          • Zap – Thanks for those timelines!

            Forrest was definitely a member of the Board of Trustees of the Buffalo Bill Center of the West in 2009, as reflected in the 2009 Annual Report I just re-read. Oh, and I just found this on the Wiki page for that awesome organization:

            “Since 2008, the center has been part of the Smithsonian Affiliates program, the first museum complex in Wyoming to have this status.[3] As an Affiliate, the Center of the West has hosted Smithsonian artifacts. It has also recently loaned some of its own vast collections to a Smithsonian exhibition in Washington, D.C.”

            Ooooh! They can display Forrest’s treasure, on behalf of the Smithsonian! That’s killing two Meadowlarks with one Annie Oakley rifle! Let’s start the exhibit at the Smithsonian’s National Museum of American History, then move the whole thing over to Forrest’s favorite hangout and place to donate his collectables, in Summer of 2021 (June 20 – September 20?).

            What do you think, Finder? And you, Zap?

          • Hi Lisa: I think (if I was Emperor) I would recommend the reverse: offer the Buffalo Bill Center of the West the opportunity to buy it (or donate it to them, or loan it to them), and then let BBCW loan it out to the Smithsonian for a seasonal exhibit — if the latter is interested.

            The Smithsonian isn’t going to care about most of the items in the chest (gold coins and gold nuggets: yawn), but the more ancient artifacts (Egyptian fetishes, gold frogs, hammered gold mirrors, and possibly the bronze chest itself, if it’s truly older than 19th century) may be enough to attract their attention.

          • Zap – If I were King of the Forest…I might ask the Great and Powerful Oz for the courage to call a Curator I have in mind at the Smithsonian. Since that’s where Forrest wanted the treasure to be exhibited. But, meanwhile, I will just watch that particular museum I mentioned on Instagram. Find the Ruby Slippers!:

            https://www.instagram.com/amhistorymuseum/

            And, methinks the Emperor has no clothes! Run away!!!

      • Wow Zap, thanks! Great stories!!
        A wizard Forrest is and interesting the quote from Longfellow.

        I believe Forrest linked the imagination/ fantasy with his spot. That’s why it was so hard to figure out trying to use knowledge.

        Zap, Forrest said in the tribute page 66 years with grandma. Which grandma is he speaking of? Kiki or Peggy?? 66 is a big number in the chase. Flip over and becomes 99.

      • Zap – Thank you for sharing those links! In my opinion, the books in Forrest’s library were his greatest treasures. I would be honored to own just one of them.

      • Zap, another interesting thought.

        Ardie means Warm. I just watched an interview of Forrest and he said the main thing TTOTC had to be was it had to feel warm when you touched it.
        I looked up warm again and warm means Ardent or Ardor a form of Ardie. Ardent and warm means to Burn. That fire in the belly, burning love. Forrest says in Runblings and ramblings Enter Yellowstone that’s where my heart is. It’s in Yellowstone obviously but where?

        If you look up burn there are hints there like boil, hot, thermos, and the doublet of burn is bourn. Which means a small stream or brook.
        Interesting too the Burnt hole is firehole area.
        I still believe the spot is gibbon River area but that area around Madison junction is very interesting.

        His spot is warm. A place that is watched over by the nanny goat. I feel the finder have a hint to the area by saying at the spot had to pull hat over eyes from the sun. The area is Warm. Warming to heart, Ardent.
        Interesting also the second etymology of burn is spring or fountain.
        Ardie springing or leaping over .

        • Zap, another thing I just noticed. Another word for warm is fever. The art fever.

          Your effort is worth the cold- worthless. But your warmth is wear his spot lies worthwhile.

  46. I was studying “The Finders” article posted Sept 23rd. It is absurdly long. Turns out exactly 3200 words long. The square root of 3200 is 56.56.

    The exact number of letters is 17,394. If you happen to add *30* to that number you would be at 17,424. As many know, putting 30 at the end of a long message is a tradition dating back to early Morse Code. 30 meant “end of message”. And guess what the square root of 17,424 just happens to be? 132. The exact page number of the poem in TTOTC.

    Do you believe this long letter was penned by a millennial? The generation of BRB? This took hours to craft. Who has time for that? Or, better question, why bother? Some sort of hidden pattern mebbe?

    NBD

    • Are you sure you didn’t miscount it? You better count it again. LOL Why does everyone keep saying that millenials are not able to write something like this? Millenials are the most educated generation in the history of Earth. Just ask all of their student loans.

  47. Memories of the Present

    The days drag on and the years fly by
    And on baited breath we live and die.
    We fuss over now; and tomorrow too
    but as forepast, we made it through

    We know now what, we didn’t then
    Still foresight short on the greater plan
    We dream of times when;
    When when when when when

    How bout now.
    Perhaps today
    To make the change
    color in the gray

    Take what we’ve drawn
    And found out true
    Use our gifts
    To end the ruse

    The futures not
    a searchers gift
    Today’s the day
    To sail the skiff

    Press on Be bold
    Light up the room
    For tomorrow comes
    It will be here soon

    For-ward March
    Head-long again
    Be present yet
    His gift for men

  48. After seeing the video(s) taken from Forrest’s flight(s), I suspect that when the poem says
    “heavy loads and water high”, it may be referring to some feelings of guilt or regret.

  49. I thought this at one point too. He seemed to really like the napalm in that video.
    Do you remember when he said if you knew what the clues were referring to it would be like a road map to the treasure? Do you think the clues could be referring to street names? I found something kind of related to that in Laramie. There’s a road called Roger Canyon Road that leads to a Downey Street that leads to Grafton Street (not far if read backwards without the G) and it’s just south of Katie Brown Canyon. It matches the 2nd stanza pretty well. Could he have hidden it in a small local park. There’s a park called Optimist Park nearby that I kind of like.

  50. Hello Geoff Idaho. In response to Dizzy Dean and why would he drink beer on a cold day when the golf game was nearly cancelled due to it, I’m reminded of fans at a football game during a snowstorm drinking beer. Chilly weather doesn’t stop one from libation if they want one. Dizzy Dean was in the mood. 🙂

    • pdenver, I like that. 🙂 Kind of raises a person’s spirit!

      You also have to consider that some people are more tolerant to the cold, so maybe his hindquarters were more cold-blooded than most. Then again, maybe he had a pet in his pocket to help keep him warm.

      • I’ve read your response twice, and still left me giggling! 🙂

        When I read the scrapbook when it came out, I had assumed the weather was warm. Dizzy Dean wanted beer and Mr. Fenn got a Dr. Pepper. I was surprised what I learned from Geoff Idaho.

        • Jumping in here.

          I wondered why Forrest went to the trouble of revising OUAW. Maybe he had more to say and did not want to write a whole new book.

          So what are the differences or aberrations? What I found was mostly the single new Star on the cover and the Dizzy Dean story.

          The aberration in the Dizzy Dean story is not the beer, but the ladder he had to climb 10 feet up and then 10 feet down. There are ladders on Indulgence, and stairs and steps in many other stories.

          That’s what I see, or saw.

          • Hello nomadicMadman. I recall the original OUAW was having binding issues during development and I believe when the second one came out, he added the Dizzy Dean story. I believe he had originally wanted 40 stories, but wasn’t pleased with one of them and pulled it.

          • It’s a good thing Forrest didn’t go with the first one, it would have fallen short of perfection without the Dizzy Dean story and would’ve missed its historical debut alongside the Juniper Fire!

          • When I think “ladder”, I think of a small hint. Good luck to
            all continuing searchers.

          • Somehow I ended up buying a Dizzy and Paul Dean signed baseball during my search research. Anyone ever notice how Dizzy and Forrest both gave eyes or faces to their signatures? g

          • I d e a ( which, in my opinion, means hint)

            Anyway you’ll notice at the bottom of the poem the last two lines have the same first letter and the same last letter so now you can bring down two lines from each side starting with the a, down to each I, and you’ll have somewhat of a triangle, go over to the e, in the first line and go down both do the bottom D and the second line D and you’ll have an exact duplicate of the other side just opposite… now, if you draw a line from each bottom corner to each bottom corner of the lines that you just drew, it excludes the bottom line by itself making the entire poem 23 lines and One exclusive line at the bottom. does that make sense?

            Kind of resembles a ladder

          • Nice jdiggins, I see it. Try this one. Take the poem on paper with all poem lines starting even on the left side. Draw a line on the right side of poem down connecting with smooth curves the end of each line, letter or punctuation. Like a dot to dot connecting the end of each line. Now flip it upside down. I get the profile of an Indian face wearing a three tiered headdress. Three tiered headdress, like the one the elephants wore in curious George goes to the circus. g

        • pdenver,
          Thanks for your response (on this page); perhaps the details of this “aberration” will remain a mystery.
          Geoff
          “Have flashlight, will (still) travel”

        • pdenver, I’ve done the same. It’s difficult for many of us searchers to not show emotions. When there’s no place else to turn, sometimes those heartfelt feelings or tears are all we have left… especially for those individuals who knew Forrest personally. After all, he gave his inner-self to all of us and even more so to those who were close to him.

          Thanks for the video link. <3

  51. Has anyone noticed that the Empire spiral notebook in this Scrapbook is not the notebook with Mr. Fenn’s mission notes? Just look at the hole punches if you want confirmation.

    Does anyon think that the “title” is still out there somewhere to be found? Empire is a town in Colorado so might that be the theme along with the Vietnam War ending for this Chase to end?

    Must we sigh now that Mr. and Mrs. Fenn are gone? Talk about being
    shell-shocked!! A pall has come upon the Chase community and we must bear with it now, but the final shell has yet to be found in this shell game, or has it…? T-minus 6 minutes in counting to meet a lion in the wood.

    Most sincerely,
    A frequent windsurfier

    • I think that’s great news. Before going to bed, I went to Mr. Fenn’s website and read the stories posted there from TTOTC. I think I might curl up under the blanket with a cup of hot chocolate and read more stories from the book while Denver’s 5-10″ of snow falls today.

      Congratulations to Mr. Fenn for reaching a milestone with his well-written book. I think it would be great if we all picked up the book and read a chapter to help celebrate for Mr. Fenn.

    • It’s over, and we’re lingering around like we don’t want to leave.
      Forrest sure knew how to throw a party.
      I’ll never stop thinking of myself as a “Fenn Searcher.”
      I crawled out the window, and I’ll never stop chasing the music.

  52. Part of the beginning of my above post didnt make it…
    It should start by saying the four corners say aide idea, which means hint imo..

    • Hi Jdiggins,

      A ladder is a bunch of tied holes if you think about it.

      So how about this?

      I give you title to the gold, becomes I give you tied hole to the gold.

      But I really think it means – I give you “tight hole” to the gold.
      As in a hole sealed tight for decades if you listen good.

      • Themed, “Tails From The Cryptic”. Or maybe, “Outnumbered By The Crowd”. Maybe even, “As The Last Knots Of Intellect Untwine”.

      • I was working with tidal for a long time. Then quickly down would be moving either left or right down an ancient shoreline. When you walk a shoreline you walk down it. I also was going off of cease – seas, and warm waters salt, and secret wear for a worn shoreline and heavy load sand for a beach. Bring a sand witch. g

    • ‘Idea’ makes sense to me Jdiggins.

      After all, how many times did he ask us “what do you THINK”? But perhaps he was actually hinting ‘idea-aide’, a brain aide if you will. FOOD for thought?

      Take care……pinatubocharlie

  53. I know this is long but bear with me!

    Pirate, Rogue!

    For those still wanting to know the exact spot like me I have found out more valuable information.

    I have studied the finders story believing there are clues or hints in there. Specifically paying attention to his explanation of where Forrest wanted to die. That is what the Finder told us he figured out to find the location. So if he could do it, I know I can. So I have been focusing on interviews and quotes from Forrest about where he WISHED to die.

    Wish is the important word. Wish means to long for, desire a place held dear, wishing well, magic or supernatural power and most importantly A Water Meadow- a low lying area of grassland that is subject to seasonal flooding.

    The Finder says in his story he figured out where Forrest Wished to die.
    So I started my effort to find where Forrest wished for things, I came across some but the most important was in Mysterious Writings of 2014. Forrest replied to a question about who he wished he could be. The first talked about Hitler and dieing and suicide like Forrest wanted or wished to do, The second was JFK and making a better choice which I am not sure why he said that out of his three wishes. The third wish was to have Pirates in his ancestry. I said to myself- Pirate??

    So I looked into Pirate and yes it aligns with Forrest and the chase.

    First a Pirate is someone plunders and Spoils in non territorial waterS. Its a boundary of waters. So where warm waters halt or as Forrest has told us Warm means comfortable. A pirate doesnt live or work in friendly or comfortable waters, only unfriendly waters. Forrest always told us you need to know the edges.
    He points out in the squirt where boundry street was. Thats was the boundry or territory where terriotorial waters started or ended. Where friendly waters halt.
    Forrest always said he loved riding the rivers with Mike K. Like riding the open seas he viewed riding the rivers searching for treasures. He states it in an interview. He loved searching the rivers for treasures like arrowheads and such. He was a pirate in the wilds of yellowstone where there is no individual ownership. That land is Park land for all of us to ride and be free along the rivers. When you enter Pirated waters they are no place for the meek. Google Territorial waters. It talks like the poem with inland waters, water high and low waters.
    If you look at the whole chase its to find a treasure chest. He also said he wanted to name TFTW, chasing a vagabond. A vagabond is a Rogue or Pirate. Forrest said the spot is isolated which means alone or Rogue/Pirate.

    Forrest lived his life like a Pirate searching for lost treasures. One thing the finder stated was he had to stick to the evidence and not be swayed by confirmation bias.

    A pirate doesn’t go on a treasure hunt. He has a map to his loot. That is how we must look at the poem. It takes you back to his loot. Loot by the way means Ladle or dipper. There is your constellation.

    If we find where Forrest Wished to die we find the Pirates spot.

    • I suggest you go back to the poem. Finding a small, specific place where Forrest wished to die is too difficult. And if he was quite ill, he would be too weak
      to do a challenging hike anyway, to an isolated “spot”. All in my opinion.

      • Tall , I agree with the poem as well. I am trying to tie or connect the two. Poem comes first in my mind.

        Territorial waters can be where warm waters halt.

    • (paraphrasing)
      -The path will not be direct for those who have no certainty of the location beforehand.-

      Many, if not all, were consumed about the locate WWsH alone, out of the many. But we needed the location first and foremost to even locate the first clue.

      The questions; we were told;
      many, several, more than several found the correct first clues… but… They didn’t seem to know they did. How does that happen?
      A good guess on the first clue or a happy mistake on the location of where the clues are at? What didn’t they understand about the location itself?
      An important possibly to winning the prize?

      Whatever the answers might be… the location of the clues must be explained from the book. Not told of, but explained of its need, desire, and held in high regards.

      I personally lean towards a plot of land of petrified wood. An area not unlike a graveyard with petrified stumps / headstones.

      • I like your thoughts seeker. You are correct I believe and in your last paragraph you mentioned the place. Forrest said as he slipped in an interview and said his spot in the trees.
        The last drawing you see in TTOTC shows cut down trees like headstones. I will offer you another idea. To cut or mow down is a meaning of meadow.

    • I am questioning the whole purpose of the finders letter. The letter is very long – yet says so little about the chest. How can that be? It makes no sense to me the finder wouldn’t share their elation. The poem is certainly complex – heck, 10 years into the chase no one had solved it. How excited they must have been to find the treasure. They could have (and I assert would) have shared the LOCATION even if remained anonymous.

      This lack of joy makes me suspicious they found anything at all.

      I analyzed the article. It is absurdly long. exactly 3200 words long. That takes some effort – to write such a long letter but say almost nothing. The exact number of letters is 17,394. If you happen to add *30* to that number you would be at 17,424. As many know, putting 30 at the end of a long message is a tradition dating back to early Morse Code. 30 meant “end of message”. The end. It was common for journalists to, on their last day, put ”30” at the end of their last writing. Essentially saying “no more.”But the square root of 17,424 is THE MESSAGE. The square root just happens to be 132. The exact page the poem is on in TTOTC. That precision takes lot of effort Let me ask this: If you found a chest of gold 2 weeks ago, would you sit down and spend hours writing a 3200 word letter that has a square root of 132?

      9r would you be stacking your gold and planning trips to Bali?

      This letter seems almost as if the finder doesn’t care about money at all. Which begs the question of why they would spend 25 full days looking for gold.

      I call BS.

      FP

      • To clarify, the square root of the letters (17, 424] is 132.

        My point is this letter seems like it was written by someone with lots of time and no concerns about money. A rich older person, perhaps?

        • Interesting take . I am not a millennial but not far off. I agree with his thinking. He has student loans, as do I. He has a young family, as do I. I always said if I found it I would sell to museum where it belongs and pay off loans. Gets me a better head start on future. I would also want to be anonymous. Most celebrities or lottery winners have no peace at all. I like to go to dinner and nobody know who I am, do my own thing.
          I would write a book and tell the answer and make a royalty the rest of my life from it and be a ghost writer to the book. That all would give the finder no fights in court, animosity and time to enjoy your family and friends with an ease of mind and peace.
          As I see it the finder is doing exactly as I would- smart individual in my mind.

        • Hi Pmt: the trouble with selling to a museum is that they don’t have deep pockets, and you would only get a fraction of what you would from a private sale.

          As for writing a book and expecting royalties from it for life, that’s not a workable plan since there is effectively no demand. Sure, hardcore searchers want to know the solution, but within days of publishing, the answers would be out on the internet, and there go your book sales.

          • Zap – Which is why I vote for no book. Just a feature film with Douglas Preston’s updated script. And no leaks on the set, while filming. Like Jerry Bruckheimer is probably doing with “National Treasure 3” for Disney. The Smithsonian’s exhibit in the National Museum of American History would dovetail on the success of “The Thrill of the Chase” movie. People would want to know all about The Chase and Forrest Fenn. They could learn even more about his legacy, when they see the Smithsonian exhibit at the Buffalo Bill Center of the West, in the Summer following. Looks like filming wouldn’t start until Summer of 2021, though, due to the Pandemic. Oh, and Jerry Bruckheimer has to direct the next “Pirates of the Carribean” movie, beforehand.

          • Zap, Lisa- I doubt there will be much interest in a “feature film” OR a book several years from now. Once the solution is leaked and verified, most folks’ curiosity will be satisfied. I have a pretty nice collection of autographed books by Forrest and I doubt they are worth much more than their original price to anyone but me. Sadly, the end of the Chase has been anticlimactic at best.

          • True in all points Zap, it seems like that is the risk the Finder is willing to take.

            Zap, you frequent THOR. I don’t post there just read at times. Mr Hand did an post stating he thought Fenn was a pirate. I noticed that when I googled Forrest and pirate. Also was a scrapbook that someone did and they found a blaze on an aspen that said 6 or 9-11-11 the JB then FF. Old scrapbook. Maybe that was the fake blaze. I couldn’t figure out where the location was the searcher was referring too?

          • Hi pmt: well, it’s not clear to me that the finder (assuming he was an actual searcher, or even an actual person, which I’ve come to seriously doubt) has any plans to write a book. There is no evidence in the medium article that he solved a single poem clue, so perhaps it’s not surprising that he has no plans to ever reveal the solution.

            Russ (someone who really KNEW Forrest) has recently posted an insightful statement-by-statement commentary about that medium article on THOR. I encourage searchers to read it and then reassess their confidence that there was an actual finder. Here’s the link to part 1 — it was long enough that Russ had to start a part 2:

            https://www.hintofriches.com/forum/the-hint-of-riches/217932-my-seventeen-cents-on-the-medium-com-article-part-one

  54. I accept the ending but don’t like it. I would have enjoyed to hear Forrest story.
    What he wanted to say. I guess it got to complicated at the end.
    I keep pushing it away but still look for that story to be told.
    Maybe it is just a matter of time but the spider web says differently.
    I guess the ending is what it is and they were ten good years for Forrest.
    I had my ideas too. Scrap book 107. the hap-hazzardly placed telephone
    poles. the fifth one from the corner. I wonder why Delacy
    creek trail. where some indian bones found on dry creek long ago.
    Lots of guesses. I do think the two blazes are Forrest.
    There were 4 Jars and 4 Bells. A mini treasure Jar that isn’t there no more.
    I know that is a far fetched thought.
    Personally to myself Forrest can have the treasure back for free. But whats
    the story. Well thats not in my hands. Seems to me they left it near there
    last year for what ever reason. I guess decisions had to be made.
    Forrest story that was given is honest. I guess he decided to protect
    the finder. I think I understand that one.
    As always if you didn’t have the chest in your hands when it ended.
    Then someone else found it. Who knows what is comning we may get
    something as soon as it is sold. The TTOTC was a great thing. It was an epic
    thing from Forrest. It still stands as such. I put my books on the shelf and
    plan to keep them. Do the answers really matter. No. but the five trees for
    Santa Fe National Forrest better grow real big.
    Thanks to Fenn Family as always.
    Mark..

      • Hi pdenver,
        Thx for the quick find.
        The Porcelain Basin on 89 a few miles south of Mammoth Hot Springs reminds me of many of Forrest’ hints.

        I was thinking of that Caper with Frosty.
        At the building for Porcelain Basin is a very good looking rustic tourist center.

        As you walk down the path to the geothermal area there a good sign pointing left and right. To the right it shows the way
        to the Porcelain Basin, This is a unique , large and very white mineral deposit , irridescent? With imagination it looks like a sheet of ice, ice could be called frosty.

        To the left is the Back Basin. which also has some of this frosty deposit running out in that direction too.

        Didn’t Forrest write something about Frosty chasing him out BACK>

        When I imagine the very cool tourist building as the restaurant and the path up the to the LEFT walkway as Forrest’s route, I can compress the entire Caper episode as an analog for this spot.

        And just for a bit of confirmation bias the pathway from the building
        to the sign brings you to a very obvious Fork.
        And the thermal features are steadily steaming away just like the Basin where Forrest was washing those stinking brown pots.

        The stinking brown mud pots are not far away.

        Let me know if any of this feels right to you.

        Warm regards

        • Hello 4rest4fend. It’s very possible. One might think of a bathtub as where warm water halts and a bathtub is a “Porcelain Basin”.

          • Exactly what I thought too.

            Olga Ashes and
            Olga’s Bathtub

            …, a little stretch but, that mineral deposit incorporates
            ….. sinters from the geysers, Sinters reminds me of ASHES

            The SB with a full on tour of F’s bathroom

          • In the same scrapbook, if I recall correctly, he spoke about no one entering his bathroom other than to get his laundry. Isn’t there a Queen’s Laundry in the general area?

          • Queen’s Laundry also reminds me of the story Mr. Fenn told of Skippy’s invention with the washer.

          • pdenver,

            Using a teeny tiny bit of imagination and looking very carefully at the poem, a specific kind of bathtub can be found.

          • A bathtub, did’nt f have a picture of a bathtub in one of sb’s? I think it was his friend Suzane Summers’ tuhe
            but I thought it might be a reference to Bath Tub Row
            in Los Alamos N.M.

          • Hello Pinatubocharlie. I’ve followed your thoughts of words within the poem and wondered if you found how the type of tub fits on the map in Wyoming. I haven’t looked at the poem yet to find the type, but thoughts of “claw” comes to mind first. Mr. Fenn had used his special bathing spot as his “tub” if one looks at it in this way.

          • Hello Wayne Alen. Suzanne’s bathtub is a nice story told by Mr. Fenn. Since we’ve been told the treasure was found in Wyoming, have you found an area where bathtub, tub, and/or wash could be associated with the poem and story?

  55. IDK about the Queen’s Laundry, sorry.

    But I was trying to pin down what in the “Canyon Down” meant.

    I first tried using south as the meaning for down, but abandoned that idea.

    Right now using down as a change in elevation, particularly with

    Obsidian Creek Canyon.

    • Interesting thought, 4rest4fend. I had considered WWWH and take it in the canyon down as Yellowstone Lake followed by Yellowstone River which goes down/into the canyon. I can’t help but think that the old Fishing Bridge Campground wouldn’t be sentimental to Mr. Fenn. My husband’s family camped there when he was in his teens and has great memories there. Nearly every year we try to find a rock that he and his siblings use to play on there, as well as, his mother reading a book. The area is getting more dense with new pine growth and it’s hard to find it. While searching, we came upon an old firepit and wondered if Mr. Fenn’s family had ever camped it that specific spot. I took a picture of it in case I couldn’t find it again. One could see the old road loops which are chewed up now. Can’t help but think what it was like when everything was alive and thriving with campers.

      • We that have wonderful memories of outdoor adventures in our childhood are so fortunate. When I was young if you wanted to go camping you joined the Boy Scouts.
        Some troops were geared primarily to the high achievers, not ours. All we ever wanted to do was go camping. Forrest would have loved our troop.
        And getting there was a thrill. We lived in suburbia though it still had large tracts of land and parks that were mostly undeveloped.
        But come the summer, we’d clear out and caravan so far north that the mighty River turned into a creek you could step across.
        From there it was winding roads, uphills, and then the wild smells I knew only out there.

        With a little help fires burned all night.

        We slept on wood decks covered with canvas tents…

        Man, I was one lucky son-of-a-gun!

        • Gosh, it sounds like great memories, 4rest4fend. I think Mr. Fenn would have enjoyed your story. His mention of getting the kids out and grabbing a bedroll would register to the things you did when you were young. Thank you for sharing your memory. I really enjoyed it.

        • 4, I really like the Norris area as the end area. Porcelain basin may be the spot, not just wwh. Porcelain word meaning is in line with the hints and clues I have been uncovering trying to find Where Forrest wanted to die.

    • 4rest4fend,

      Canyon —> CA NY on —> coast, oceans, boundary, edge, border, map, & flag.

      Down —> direction (view or travel path), feathers, sad, mood, consume, shoot, volume, American football, write, smell, sailing, rolling hills.

      I see some interesting combinations.

      Enjoy

  56. Some searchers searched with their boots
    made of sinew within their roots
    Some at home didn’t give a hoot
    only wanting a pile of loot

    Different types of searchers are we
    we all know nothing in life is free
    Pretty sure Forrest had that belief
    It’s led many to agonizing grief

    He left it to do what you please
    greed often becomes a disease
    He gave a chance a moment to cease
    no guarantees of finding it with ease

    The mystery remains at the end
    A thought I may simply lend
    To others searchers as 4rest4fend
    thanks for your thoughts my friend

    Going into nature was his only rule
    using imagination no need for tools
    No special knowledge to figure it out
    yet so many left with anxiety and doubt

    Some relax waiting during times of peace
    hoping for answers the chase to cease
    Like life’s answers what might they be
    ending in question of one’s belief.

  57. and take in the canyon down

    none want yon kid can( casket,compass, eighty six, ax, boot, eject, jail, jar,vault, grave, bark,) adit ( entrance).

    Entrance to Gujae Pines cemetery. It’s spanish meaning kid. I don’t know of anybody who wants to go there.

  58. Hi pd,

    Regarding your Wyoming tub question, just as many others did, I put a lot of thought and research into Yellowstone, but no BOTG. My last trip back there was with our young family in the early 90’s after the devastating fires of 1988. The kids were very impressed with all the scenery and grandeur of the geysers, hot springs, etc and we camped at the Madison Campground.

    I spent a lot of time trying to come up with a Queen’s Laundry solve because of the tub connection and his mom doing laundry outside the house. However, I finally decided to drop it because I hiked out there during that camping trip one day just to see it in person and it was a real slog. I ruined a new pair of hiking boots because eventually the trail dissolved into nothingness and then became marshy maybe 300 yards away. But I persisted and finally made it there, right about time the sun was directly overhead and the pool that wonderfully deep azure blue we all know and love.

    There is no way Forrest would have gone thru what I did to hide it there and so I moved on to other areas within the park, finally discovering this with the thought it’s a great blaze.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ctkwg0go10cb7rl/Photo%20Nov%2021%2C%205%2024%2010%20PM.jpg?dl=0

    But then I again decided it was just to dangerous a place and Forrest would never put searchers into jeopardy that way. And after a good 6-8 months I gave up on Yellowstone and haven’t steered my armchair in that direction since.

    What I post nowadays I do in the hope that maybe something I say will trigger something in a searcher like you that you might say to yourself, why didn’t I think of that?

    In that regards, where you find tub, claw, & 12″, you might find something with a claw if you study far.

    Take care………..pinatubocharlie

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