The Seven Searchers You Meet in HoD-ven….

JUNE 2018

by FMC

 

Disclaimer: This is intended as a bit of fun and not to denigrate anyone’s thought process, methodologies, solutions, etc.  As the saying goes, “Until the TC is found, no one can say anyone else is right or wrong.”

Every solve is unique.  Even searchers with the same WWWH might come up with different HOBs, have different thoughts on the Blaze, or disagree which clues can only be solved with BOTG.  That said, if you’ve been involved in the Chase long enough, it’s possible to break the various thought processes into seven distinct categories.  Some Searchers stay within one category, while others combine pieces and parts of multiple categories like a TTOTC Frankenstein, hoping their solve comes alive.

Poem Purists

These Searchers generally stick to the poem and at times, eschew even the books as unnecessary (though some will supplement their poem-based solves with select “hints” from the books).  The Poem Purist prefers to poor over Google Earth, seeking the perfect a-ha! combination of landmarks that they can match up to the poem.

Google Earth Rorschachers

While the Poem Purist looks for place names or distinct features on GE, the Google Earth Rorschacher looks for patterns in the land itself, not unlike someone identifying shapes in the clouds that pass by.  The GE Rorschacher can be identified by the images that they put in their solves, which frequently have MS Paint outlines of what they “see” in the land.

If you see an arrowhead in the above picture and wonder how you might tie that to a potential solve, you may be a GE Rorschacher.

Maths! (Maths Factorial)

Devotees of the various math-based methods… TBH, I don’t really understand what they’re doing beyond assigning numbers to the letters in the poem and then manipulating those numbers in various ways and ending up with coordinates.  If you see math in a solve, try for a few minutes to understand it, and then give up on it for being too complex, you’re reading a Maths! Searcher.

Code-Breakers

Different from the Maths! Searcher, the Code-Breaker looks for hidden messages in the poem, books, and ATF information.  Often employing butterfly = flutterby as part of their reasoning, the Code-Breaker is a fan of anagrams, the most popular of which takes “From there it’s no place for the meek” to “Meeteetse Pitchfork Realm of Horn”, which… okay?  The Code-Breaker also will frequently employ the grid method to the poem, lining all the poem lines up, then looking for words or phrases hidden in the resulting Seek and Find.  This method is explained (well and interestingly, IMO) in the 2nd half of Cowlazars vlog #9 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnmNXX7iIaA.

Sherlocks and Historian Sherlocks

Sherlocks can generally be identified by some bit of internet minutiae that becomes the basis for their unique interpretation of a particular clue or clues.  Whether this is an obscure definition of a word, a fact about the temperature water freezes or boils at for a given altitude, or some other bit of trivia, the Sherlock Searcher is willing to explore any and all rabbit holes in order to solve the poem.  Historian Sherlocks are the same as regular Sherlocks, only they focus on historical events like town name changes, people that FF may have known or been interested in and where they might have traveled in history, etc.

Free Associationers

Whereas the Poem Purist makes, at most, limited use of the books, ATF comments, etc., the Free Associationer allows these items to drive potential solves through connections they make between the two.  For example, if FF says something about his coffee maker, the Free Associationer will seek out potential tie-ins with that statement (Mocha Point, Latte River, or similar).

The Uninformed

Sometimes these are newer Searchers, but more often than not, it’s Searchers that are lazy or otherwise unwilling to read even the basics of the Search parameters.  The Uninformed Searcher may claim their WWWH is a Dam or that they’ve solved it, only for their search area to be 5 miles from where they park with a 3,000 feet elevation gain.

Whichever Searcher type or types you are, there are things that can be learned from all of the types so I encourage you to read HoD with an open-mind.  Think, plan, and when you put BOTG, be sure to do so safely.  Good Luck!

FMC

Where Warm Waters Halt….

JUNE 2018

BY DOUG

 

Doug Meyer wrote a couple of interesting papers on the topic of Where Warm Waters Halt. He wrote the first last March and now  he has added part two. In addition to sharing some personal ideas and thoughts on the WWWH topic Doug is also a skilled technical writer. I think you’ll enjoy the read and his thoughts might spark an idea…

 

The docs are in PDF format and you can read them in your browser, and/or save them to your computer. If you have any questions you can ask Doug in a comment on this page…

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The Newest Little Cache….

JUNE 2018

 

If You Find It Don’t Keep It…PLEASE!

William restored the little cache…just for fun. It will give folks in the MT/WY area something to look for after a hard day of searching for Forrest’s Treasure Chest, particularly if you come up empty handed.

The idea is for you to go find the little cache. Take one thing out and then put one different thing in. Preferably something associated with where you live or who you are or what you do…Sign the register and date it and say what you added and took..

Then, take a pic of you holding the cache and email it to me when you get near some wifi.

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Make sure I have your screen name with the photo and I’ll post the pics on this page.

Then close it back up tight and put it back the way you found it so the next person who comes along can find and enhance it..

It’s just a fun thing to do and won’t take long to find..have fun thinking about what you can put inside it. The item you put inside cannot be very big. The box is small…so a coffee mug won’t fit.

Here’s a pic of the cache when we first started about 4 years ago.

The new cache. Some verified wood, obsidian, marbles, caribeaner, an old bead, some hand tied flies, an apache tear, a quartz crystal and a pyrite crystal..or and a miniature book... Take something and leave something from where you live..sign the book. Send me a picture of you and the chest and I'll post it.. But I'm having trouble finding a spot to hide it. The old spot was the best but the Park didn't like a cache in their park.

The new cache. Some petrified wood, obsidian, marbles, caribeaner, an old bead, some hand tied flies, an apache tear, a quartz crystal and a pyrite crystal..and a miniature book…
Take something and leave something from where you live..sign the book. Send me a picture of you and the chest and I’ll post it..

And now the directions. These are made so a kid can follow them.

Begin it in West Yellowstone on Boundary and Madison at this place.

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This is the motel that Forrest, Skippy and Donnie built.

From here look directly across Boundary and see this.

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The trail through the wood to the Madison River. But you won’t be going that far.

From this sign take 70 paces up the trail to here:

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This is a second signpost just up the trail 70 paces from the first signpost.

From here you take 140 paces and then halt.
Turn to your left and take 20 paces.
You should be looking at this. The cache is directly in front of you.

It’s not really buried. It’s hidden. And if you need a precise location..try this:

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The coordinates of the little cache.

Okay..go get it..have fun!!
Ohhhh…one more thing..please don’t put any food inside. The critters will get at it..
They can even smell food in that tub if it’s sealed.

Thanks to William for getting the cache back together this year!!!!

2018 I’VE BEEN THERE PHOTOS:
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The Case for Hyde Park…

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MAY 2016
by dal…

 

I call it Hyde Park for short but its proper name is Hyde Memorial State Park

Many searchers feel that Forrest must have hidden Indulgence in New Mexico. There are more than a few logical reasons why this could be true. The number one argument for New Mexico appears to be that it is the State where Forrest lives, and if he were to head out from home to hide his box of goodies,  not having to travel far would make it easier for him to escape and return unnoticed. He would probably not raise a single eyebrow among those in his immediate family if he were only gone for a few hours, many advocates of the New Mexico dogma point out.

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Although I was once a follower of the “New Mexico creed”, I have since moved on. But ever since Cynthia announced that Fennboree 2016 would be held in Hyde Memorial State Park, Just about 8.2 miles northeast of Santa Fe I started thinking how clever it would be for Forrest to hide his treasure in a place called Hyde Park. So, I spent a little time looking into this place.

First of all, Hyde Park is in the Sangre de Cristo range of the southeastern most extension of the Rocky Mountains. I am not the only person who believes this. The United States Geological Survey states this on their Rocky Mountain geographical description website. As does just about every other reliable organization that talks about the southern Rocky Mountains. In fact, Hyde Memorial State Park is just about 25 miles north of the absolute southern limit of the Rockies.

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The park is situated on 340 acres between 8,400ft and 9,440ft elevation.

I believe that calling Hyde State Park NORTH of Santa Fe is a stretch. It’s more East than anything…but none-the-less, when I draw an east/west line on a map through Santa Fe…Hyde Park falls well north of that line.

Okay…so we’ve got a place on public land, not far from Forrest’s home, in the Rocky Mountains, potentially north of Santa Fe and in the possible elevation range with an interesting name that could be associated with a clever hiding place…What else ya got?

I got B. T B. Hyde…

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The park is named after Benjamin Talbot Babbitt Hyde, known as “Uncle Bennie” or “B.T.” or B. T. Hyde”. It turns out that Bennie was passionate about making sure kids had an opportunity to learn about and explore the outdoors…sound familiar?

Bennie was an original thinker and amassed a fortune by taking an ordinary product and thinking differently about how to market it…sound familiar?

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Bennie’s product was soap…bar soap. He was the first to manufacture and market soap in individual bars. Babbitt’s Best Soap was a colossal hit. He was the first manufacturer to give public tours of his factories so families could appreciate the cleanliness of his plant and the pureness of his product. He was also one of the first to give away free samples. He was willing to take chances with marketing his products and it almost always paid off. His soap became such a household staple that Babbitt was touted as a marketing genius…sound familiar?

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Babbitt often told this story at speaking engagements:
“I met a young shoeshine boy with the name B. T. Babbitt. When I told the boy my name was also B. T. Babbitt, the surprised boy said, ‘Lawd mister, did your momma get your name off a soap box too?'”

Benjamin Talbot Babbitt Hyde and his brother Frederick E. Hyde, Jr. were amateur anthropologists…sound familiar?

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They financed an expedition in the winter of 1893-1894 to excavate the cliff dwelling civilization in Pueblo Bonito. In addition to the cliff dwellers, evidence of an earlier “Basketmaking” civilization was discovered beneath the canyon floor. The finds were substantial, including thousands of cylindrical pottery vases unique to this site, turquoise, flutes, baskets, and human remains…sound familiar?

There is also an intriguing connection between the Hyde brothers and Richard Weatherill’s work at Mesa Verde.

Uncle Bennie was always interested in educating children about the outdoors and when he retired in 1927 he moved to Santa Fe and started The Children’s Nature Foundation on a large ranch near Tesuque. He often lectured on snakes, poisonous and non-poisonous which he usually brought with him in a suitcase. He argued that, in fact, snakes were man’s best friend, not dogs.

Since then, the foundation has purchased and set aside hundreds of mountainside acres for public use. The 350 acre Hyde Park property was donated to the State in 1934 for the sole purpose of creating New Mexico’s first State Park. Which finally happened in 1938.

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Well…okay, but is there a blaze?

Depends… One possible blaze is a waterfall in the park on the Little Tesuque Creek that runs thru the park. But the creek is intermittent at that point and derives its flow from snowmelt. The waterfall is often missing any water to fall. But that would not be the only blaze possibility.

What about Brown and meek and etc. etc…

Well…actually, I have found some curious places in and around the park…that are very interesting…and, of course the park itself is not far, but too far to walk from an exciting location where warm waters halt.

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I am not saying that this is the place…I’m only thinking out loud that it’s a REMOTE possibility…but I’ll be snooping around and you might just want to do a little research before you show up for Fennboree 2016….

Just my opinion…of course…
No one else would have this opinion but me…

dal-

Jeremy Does Forrest Three……

Please Note:
This is a parody solve, intended for entertainment purposes only. Any resemblance to an actual solve is purely coincidental. Forrest didn’t actually say these things. Merry Christmas everyone!
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About the Artist
Jeremy Parnell is a searcher from Lexington, Kentucky, who joined the chase in 2015. He works as a software developer for the national governing body of equestrian sports by day, and pursues an interest in art, philosophy, and puzzle solving in his free time. You can find him at http://jeremyparnell.com where he infrequently posts art, photos, and random thoughts.

New Homes for Lucca’s Dolls…

Did you get a Lucca Comfort Doll?

Here we will post pics of Lucca’s Dolls in their new home.
Pose him/her in a cool setting, send us a photo and tell us a little about your doll..

HERE'S NONI She smells like Pumpkin Spice....since getting her in the mail I've had to buy a pumpkin pie at Walmart! LOL I think she might be looking for the treasure!" IronWill

HERES NONI
She smells like Pumpkin Spice….since getting her in the mail I’ve had to buy a pumpkin pie at Walmart! LOL
I think she might be looking for the treasure!”
IronWill

My doll from Lucca... She is the sweetest thing ever her name is Holly: You can see from the card that came with her she really wanted a pair of ballet shoes... I could not bring myself to draw on her so I crocheted her a pair instead! I think she likes them what do you think? Spallies

HERE’S HOLLY
She is the sweetest thing ever. You can see from the card that came with her she really wanted a pair of ballet shoes… I could not bring myself to draw on her so I crocheted her a pair instead!
I think she likes them what do you think?
Spallies

This is Agatha. She moved in a couple days ago and immediately started reading all my reference material on the chest. We have plans to look together in the spring. dal-

This is Agatha. She moved in a couple days ago and immediately started reading all my reference material on the chest. We have plans to look together in the spring.
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The thing about Agatha is that she doesn't have to sleep ski she can search all night and all day. She is relentless. She says she has some good ideas where we should look. dal-

The thing about Agatha is that she doesn’t have to sleep. She can search all night and all day. She is relentless. She says she has some good ideas where we should look.
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The thing about Agatha is that she is very opinionated. She thinks Forrest looks silly in that hat and after she read on the blog all the places I've looked, she told me I am delusional. Agatha has an attitude. :-) dal-

Agatha is very opinionated. She thinks Forrest looks silly in that hat and after she read on the blog all the places I’ve looked, she told me I am delusional. Agatha has an attitude. 🙂
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My name is Fallan. I smell like lavender. I like to run barefoot through puddles after it rains. She wouldn't let me play in the puddle,so I played in her lavender instead. Onuat.

My name is Fallan.
I smell like lavender. I like to run barefoot through puddles after it rains.
She wouldn’t let me play in the puddle,so I played in her lavender instead.
Onuat.

Lucca's doll came yest. I made some moccasins for him and sewed on the silver Milagro Forrest gave my mom during her final days of battling cancer. Jesse said it's name is "Bam-Bam". Jesse fell right to sleep snuggling Bam-Bam. I think my flash disturbed him, by the sour look on his face! Will you please post this pic on Lucca's page? Thank you for all you do! Respectfully, Donna and Jesse/Bam-Bam

Lucca’s doll came yest. I made some moccasins for him and sewed on the silver Milagro Forrest gave my mom during her final days of battling cancer.
Jesse said it’s name is “Bam-Bam”.
Jesse fell right to sleep snuggling Bam-Bam. I think my flash disturbed him, by the sour look on his face!
Will you please post this pic on Lucca’s page?
Thank you for all you do!
Respectfully,
Donna and Jesse/Bam-Bam

Hi! Our names are Peach (left), and Daffodil (right). We are wearing Peggy and Lucca ' s recycled clothes. Look at Peaches pretty rainbow braids and Daffodils treasure pocket! We were supposed to move to new homes, but we'll be staying here. Happy Holidays! :-) jdiggins

Hi! Our names are Peach (left), and Daffodil (right). We are wearing Peggy and Lucca ‘ s recycled clothes. Look at Peaches pretty rainbow braids and Daffodils treasure pocket! We were supposed to move to new homes, but we’ll be staying here. Happy Holidays!
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I received two dolls from Lucca and i love both of them. One is named Rose and the other Riley. I'm giving one to my grandchild that is a scheduled to arrive in February 2016. The other doll, Riley, was taken to Five Acres in Altadena, California to comfort a child in need. I will miss Riley, but i know she will help calm a child in need. Rose on the left and Riley on the right. Rose-

I received two dolls from Lucca and I love both of them. One is named Rose and the other Riley. I’m giving one to my grandchild that is a scheduled to arrive in February 2016. The other doll, Riley, was taken to Five Acres in Altadena, California to comfort a child in need. I will miss Riley, but i know she will help calm a child in need.
Rose on the left and Riley on the right.
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If you’d like to get your own Lucca Comfort Doll check them out on Forrest’s website

http://www.oldsantafetradingco.com/store/comfort-dolls

 

Jeremy Does Forrest Two……

 

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About the Artist
Jeremy Parnell is a searcher from Lexington, Kentucky, who joined the chase in 2015. He works as a software developer for the national governing body of equestrian sports by day, and pursues an interest in art, philosophy, and puzzle solving in his free time. You can find him at http://jeremyparnell.com where he infrequently posts art, photos, and random thoughts.

Lucca’s Dolls…

 

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This just in. Forrest’s granddaughter Lucca is making dolls and selling them on Forrest’s web site. She wanted to make a special toy for her 2 year-old daughter, and everyone liked it so much Lucca decided to keep making them. She is a one person operation and Forrest has already purchased five. Check it out.

http://www.oldsantafetradingco.com/store/comfort-dolls

See the dolls in their new homes

https://dalneitzel.com/2015/12/03/more_luccas-dolls/

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A Subtle Hint?……

A Subtle Hint?

By Sacha J

As some of you know, Forrest held a book signing on Saturday, November 14th, at the site of his former residence, the Nedra Matteucci Galleries.  I am a New Mexico local, and have always wanted to see the galleries, so I took the excuse to go.  Something happened during my trip, which I have decided to share with all of you.

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The building is quite prominent, and takes up an entire corner in Santa Fe.  The sculpture gardens are absolutely breathtaking.  According to Forrest, it is 2.5 acres, and that is a lot of space in the busiest part of Santa Fe.  There was art on every wall, including in the restrooms.  One restroom had enough old tools and horse bridles hanging from the ceiling and walls to fill a blacksmith’s shop.  Forrest told us that he collected each and every one of those items on his own, with the help of a metal detector.  He seemed very proud of that.

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While I was taking in all the art, I ran into a few other searchers.  I ran into Cynthia, Barb, and Crowfeast,  and a few others whose names I can’t remember.  Some of us got there early enough, and we were lucky to get a personal tour of some of the property from Forrest.

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He showed us trees that he had planted, which started out as small around as a marker, which now had trunks so large that Forrest could have hidden behind one and not been seen.

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He showed us what vigas are, and a beam with 17th century Spanish carvings still on it.  He showed us his old foundry, where he used to pour his bronzes.  It has been converted to fireplace, but you can still see the vent that Forrest used.

Forrest continued the tour indoors, where he showed us where the original building ended.  It is now very much an indoor space, but the original wooden doors that led outside are still there.  Forrest wanted to show us all his work on the doors.  He led us into the building, and then slammed the large wooden doors closed, making people on the other side a bit nervous.  Then, he lifts a large piece of wood and slams it into the iron holders, almost knocking a painting off the wall in the process.  Everyone stood in awe at Forrest, as he told us how he added the little iron details so that no one could saw through the wooden beam.  He then lifted the beam away, and accidentally knocked a pad lock onto the floor.  “I am gonna bring the place down if I am not careful,” he says.  Forrest replaced the giant wooden slat where he found it, and opened the large doors.  The look of relief from the gallery employees and the people on the other side of the door was priceless.

It was quite an entertaining time, but I have saved the most important part for last.  It is what I think may be one of Forrest’s subtle hints.  While Forrest was showing us the old foundry, I noticed a John Moyers painting in the corner.

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However, it is different than the one in Forrest’s recent scrapbook post.  The one in the foundry is of a Native American standing, holding a blanket.  However, the person in this painting is facing a different direction and is wearing a different blanket than the one in the image Forrest used.  Cynthia, Barb, and I are standing there, when suddenly, Forrest points to that very Moyers painting and says “There it is.  That is the one from my scrapbook.”  Cynthia, Barb, and I immediately recognize that it is not the same painting, and have a brief discussion about it. I laugh and tell them that Forrest is pulling their legs, and he is enjoying seeing us all in a tissy over it.  But, as I came home and thought about it more, I think it was Forrest dropping a subtle hint.  And, in the spirit of the impending holidays, I decided to share it all with you.

You can see the Moyers painting for yourself in person, at the Nedra Mattucci Gallery in Santa Fe.  You can also visit the following website to see many of Moyers’ works: http://www.matteucci.com/contemporary-artists/john-moyers/

Someone suggested that Forrest may have forgotten which painting he used in the scrapbook, but I don’t believe that for a minute.  Forrest has not proven to be forgetful.  But, I can’t say I know what the subtle hint is, if one does indeed exist.  I suppose that is up to each of you to decide.

Sasha J

Invisible Ink Gremlins……

Pages submitted by Jamie from Eric Sloane’s book “Gremlins Americanus” published in the ’40s, during WWII,  which actually used invisible ink in the printing process…

So..it appears it is possible to mass produce a book with invisible ink..

Could Forrest have done the same in his books??? Maybe the keyword is invisible. Maybe the nine clues are invisible…Naah!!…

 

 

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