What Are We Looking For?…

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AUGUST 2019
by Seeker

 

What are we looking for?
Craig, there is no substitute for thinking and planning and observing and looking at maps, unless it’s the desire to keep it simple.f

Many want to believe we are only looking for a 10” sq. piece of realty, I can’t disagree more.

We have been told; Forrest knew where he wanted to hide the chest… in a place he feels, is special to him. We have been told that without the first clue we have nothing… might as well stay home. I believe the first clue is this place Forrest is referring to. For this idea to be true, one needs to consider the possibility that; not only do the remaining clues revolve around the first and are within the location of the first clue… but also the possibility the trove is within the same location.

For clarification; “Location” is meant as an area vs. “Place” being a position within a location. However, “place” has other meanings and usages that I feel are being used in the poem.

With these thoughts in mind… a particular reading of the poem appears. We know the first clue is represented by the line “Begin it where warm waters halt” Then we have “And take it in the canyon down” For the idea that WWsH is Forrest “special place” the wording or phrasing of “take it in” [ by definition of; ‘take something in’ ] means to see something, to view, to gaze at… But now we have to consider the line “Not far, but too far to walk” Lets break this line down… “Not far” is seemingly self-explained… Something that is not far [distance away] and more than likely, seen from where the viewer/searcher is.

“but too far to walk” – “But” seems to imply [ one definition] excluding, ‘used to indicate the impossibility of anything other than what is being stated’ In this case, the use of “but” is telling the reader to exclude the movement of walk or walking as something that should be done… There is no movement of a searcher thus far in the poem, or don’t walk away from this clue.

“Put in below the home of Brown” – This is the last line in this stanza, and a stand-alone sentence. I believe this was deliberately set this way. The perceiving lines implant the notion that a searcher is at the first clue’s reference, is to view something, in or down in a manner involving said canyon… with no movement of a searcher being described by the poem. “Put in” acts the same as “take it in” – to look… put in, set your eyes upon… and I think is the beginning of the observational part of the solve.  {You may not like the usages of these words and phrases in this manner… yet, those are the definitions and meanings, in plain English}

Should a searcher discover the reference of hoB… the idea is; to look below this reference, while being consistent with the method of what the poem might be relaying to this point.

~ Summary of stanza 2; Be at WWsH location, view and/or observe the place of CD [a direction] and locate the hoB reference… [which might only be seen ‘correctly’ from ground level].

While a searcher has not left the location of the first clue at this point… found hoB… most likely by use of imagination of the land feature… we come to stanza 3 and what this stanza might imply the planning part of the solve.

Most readers / searcher automatically refer this stanza as more movement through the landscape [stomping point to point of hopeful clue references by the possible misinterpretation of “take it in”]. I believe this is where most, if not all, left the poem, line of thinking. The word “Place” in the line “From there it’s no *place* for the meek” might not be referring to a place / location, but rather, “a situation” [Place definition; put in, cause to be in a particular position or situation] a searcher is now presented to be in, to finalize the task. This *place* “situation” is needed to be understood as; what is expected of a searcher to do. I believe this is indicated by a later line in the poem; “Your Effort will be worth the cold…” [possibly in the form of a hint].

In the simplest of ideas / terms… cold is of a change in temperature and/or of emotion. Both of which I think is meant for the line “FTINPFTM”. The cold of the night [compared to; day / sunshine] and a situation a person who is meek, timid, unfamiliar with, being alone in the mountains at night. This same line of thinking can also be reference by “If you are brave and in the wood”

The line “The end is ever drawing nigh” would reference the end of the night and the new day on the rise. This might be in reference to the idea of “hint of riches new and old”… out with the old and in with the new [day], idea. As well as the thought and Elliot’s quote, * …to know the place for the first time* This brings us to the line “There’ll be no paddle up your creek” In this line I believe the intent is to explain a specific time of year when the correct solution can be “complete ( completed?). {Yep, I know, that’s won’t go over well with most. But you have to ask, why fenn followed his own created clues?}

We have thus far, the notion of a situation is; an overnight stay in the RM’s, a morning sunrise, however, we may need to know when to view this… on what day… to make the poem/clues lead precisely to the hidey spot. The Summer month of June is known for the Summer Solstice… in the book [TTOTC] June never got paddles because she was always right- a subtle hint? Not intended, but will help?] June is the correct month to “complete” the poem. I think the poem relays that we have now discovered why hoB, if known of, would lead right to the chest… hoB is the blaze. An object, that it utilized with the morning sunrise on the first day of Summer. “IF you’ve been wise and found the blaze, Look quickly down, your quest to cease, But tarry scant with marvel gaze…”

The above section of stanza 4 seems to imply we do just that… Look in quickly [as time related action] down [ below the hoB/the blaze] for our quest to be “completed?” – But tarry [linger] scant [a small amount of time] with marvel gaze [ gaze meaning; look steadily, observe, to “study”] … just take the chest and go in peace.

By now some might be asking about the line; “Just heavy loads and water high” This line I believe revolves around the entire concept of WWsH and hoB. HoB references heavy loads and water high references WWsH. Whatever these physical land features are… the poem is seemingly built / designed around “just” them… Forrest’s special place.

In summary: Learn/discover this location of all the clues is first and foremost [The question is; how do we learn this?]. WWsH is the critical clue in the “action” of “finding” the blaze and resting place of the chest… “all the information to *find* the treasure is in the poem”.

HOWEVER… we have been warned that this process of *finding* the chest is not going to be direct without “certainty of the location beforehand”
(TFTW – Statement made on map insert)

These two comments are not one in the same. While we need WWsH to get us closer to the chest… but we need to know where to find the clues first. The two comments, while separate, work hand in hand to find the correct search location and the correct WWsH out of the many.

~ Locate/learn where the location of all the clues are at, find WWsH by learning of this location, view in the direction of the canyon-down, spot below the hoB, observe the morning sunrise of first day of summer, watch the shadow of the blaze being cast to the hide….

Note; “begin IT” is the catch 22… in this theory, IT refers to what is expected of the searcher. IT refers to “observing and planning” for. *** begin observing where warm waters halt ***

Conclusion; No one, not little Indy, a boy from dad’s hometown or someone from anywhere Earth… “cannot get closer than the first two clues” using a map or GE [the book, GE and/or a good map get us to this point].

A searcher must be on site to *complete the poem*[ Marry the CLUES to A PLACE on a map] and this might have been the same for Forrest… he completed his blueprint [from memory] by following his own created instructions / clues / blueprint.

He completed all the ingredients to now, hide the trove, where his clues took him… to a 10” spot within his special place.

-Seeker

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sparrow’s Speculations Part 2…

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August 2019
by Sparrow  

It was interesting to see the reactions to my first article, Sparrow’s Speculations #1. The first article mainly revolved around one sentence that Forrest had shared on his birthday, 8-22-2016. If you read that article you would know that I shared that I thought it was very possible Forrest was revealing the Car Rental agency he used (for part or all of the journey) when hiding the Treasure. 

The reactions ranged from acceptance that it was “more than a coincidence” to downright mockery of the whole idea. I expected this. As I had mentioned, these are “speculations” about several oddities I have encountered as I did my investigations into the poem itself, and many “hints” I feel that Forrest has given us over the years. Though not unique, my method of solving the poem is very different from the method the majority of searchers use. I know this because I follow the blogs, and read the “solves”, and rarely see anyone approach the poem the way I do.

I must admit that I am very reluctant to share what I am about to share, as this has taken considerable time and thought. In some ways (this sounds quite egotistical I admit) I feel this will blow the lid off the way people are searching, and will eventually lead to an intelligent person solving this awesome puzzle.

What I am about to share in a couple of short articles are “examples” of acrostics I have found in the poem. The first “example” is merely “speculation”, and displays a couple of oddities I have encountered searching, with the final offering being something that I believe will be extremely difficult to deny, or to chalk up to “coincidence” or CONFIRMATION BIAS.  

THE AMAZING FORREST FENN

I must confess that after investigating what I am about to show you, and seeing what Forrest has done, I am completely amazed. When Forrest said that the poem took him 15 years to complete, I can understand why. I know this was not labor that took 365 days a year for 15 years to complete when he says this, but it was still a tremendous amount of work. A lot of trial and error, and imagination were involved in completing it. It is actually quite astounding, and I feel I have really only scratched the surface of what is actually hidden in this poem.

Constructing even a small poem with a few verses in acrostic form is difficult. Imagine constructing the poem of 24 lines, which has acrostics hidden on several lines, horizontal and vertical, and even diagonally throughout the whole poem? This is an amazing feat! It boggles the mind in some instances, when realizing ALL of the words communicated to us by doing this.  Here is the first example. Again, this first example does not include ALL the words that I have found, as the final example I give within the next couple of articles will be almost impossible to refute. This first example contains “speculation” as it is possible that it is “coincidence”. I will leave you to be the judge of that.

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 This example is using the poem in the form given (all stanzas in place).  I have tried to make a variation in size for the letters in this example. In future examples I may use different colors for the various words used.  The very first acrostics I saw when reading the poem were GAIT (Gone Alone In There), WAFT (Wise And Found The) and BAIT (Brave And In The). In other articles I have written, I have shown how Forrest has “hinted” at these same words SEVERAL times. They are basic acrostics. They could very well be random. However, the hints Forrest has shared lead me to believe these are very REAL. These acrostics are in the first line, the 13th line, and 23rd line horizontally.  These are the BACKBONE of the poem in my opinion. 

The second set of acrostics I saw when investigating is the word HORN.  There are (2) obvious examples of HORN in the poem.  The first is on the beginning letters in the 4th line: “Hint Of Riches New” (HORN). This acrostic connected with another acrostic on exactly the 20th line vertically downward: HORN.  For me this is no coincidence. I will explain in detail why HORN (on line #4 horizontally) meeting “horn” (on exactly the 20th line vertically) is very important to the solution in a future article.

Please also note the diagonal acrostic “EDEN” which starts at the last letter of line #1 and heads vertically down to meet the “N” in the vertical acrostic “horn”. I believe EDEN may be an important part to the solution also. That is why I am including that acrostic in this first example.  Again, I will explain in detail why this is so in a future article.

I have also included three other DIAGONAL acrostics found in the poem:  to hasten” (begins on the 8th line diagonally upwards to end on 1st line), “birth” (backwards acrostic downwards beginning on 13th line), and the word “today” (15th line upwards diagonally to 11th line).  I MUST POINT OUT once again that I am not altering the poem in any way here. These letters are THERE. I have not added them.  For the words “to hasten” to be coincidentally diagonal in the poem where I show them could be coincidental, but this is very doubtful.  Especially if we consider that we are to look “QUICKLY” down—and the words “to hasten” mean to cause something to happen more quickly. Though I do not know the exact reason, it appears we are “to hasten” in the search.

The last Acrostic in this example could be entirely coincidental, but again it is very doubtful that it is.  It is a VERY curious acrostic to be sure:   DAENISM.  This starts on the 11th line and spelling DAENISM downwards in a vertical manner to the 17th line.  What is strange about this acrostic is that the diagonals “birth”, “today” and “to hasten” could refer to it in some way.  I must point out clearly that I FIRST saw the acrostic, then googled it, not knowing what “DAENISM” even was.  Imagine my surprise when I saw that DAENISM is indeed a word, and that it has a very curious meaning to it. I did not know there was such a word before I saw the acrostic in the poem.  This acrostic has 7 letters that are THERE. Coincidental? You decide.

Please go to the following link:  https://particracy.fandom.com/wiki/Daenism  or simply google DAENISM.  It is actually a philosophy that someone at WIKI Fandom CREATED. They created it several years ago. The reason I mention this is due to my mention of Sequoyah in my first article.  Remember that Sequoyah INVENTED a written language for the Cherokee people. Could it be possible that Forrest in some way was involved in INVENTING a philosophy?  That sounds far-fetched, and Forrest may have NOTHING to do with this at all. It did cross my mind though, as Forrest is like Sequoyah.   Forrest does what HE wants to do and no one can stop him. There could very well be a connection.

An important aspect of DAENISM is its symbol: A WHEEL.  I mention this because mdc777 (a contributor to Dal’s blog) pointed out in one of his own YouTube videos that another searcher had found a way to reveal the words “TRY THE WHEEL” in the poem itself.  This is what shocked me when I found the acrostic “TRY AUSBYS” as a hint.  I shared this in my first article.  TRY AUSBYS.  TRY THE WHEEL.   Very curious indeed.  Could THE WHEEL be the wheel in DAENISM and not another wheel?  Again, I leave that for your consideration.  Again, google DAENISM to see its symbol is indeed a wheel.

Again, this first EXAMPLE of the poem has no PROVEN acrostic in it. I also do not know how these acrostics lead to the solution. They are curiosities and oddities.  As I proceed in future EXAMPLES though, I will add maps and photos to the mix.  Someone had stated I offered no photos or maps and should burn my ideas.  I will share photos, links and maps in upcoming articles that will become harder and harder to refute in my serious opinion.  I do want to EMPHASIZE once more though that I had not added to the poem, or moved anything around.  The words that are revealed to be acrostics are THERE.  I did not “cherry pick” them.  Accept or reject them. That is entirely up to you.

To be continued…….

-Sparrow

 

 

 

 

 

Sparrow’s Speculations…

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August 2019
by Sparrow

Last year, about this same time, I wrote a short article called “Fishin’ Part 1” which can be found here if you are interested.

I had intended to write a “Fishin’ Part 2” at that time but decided to stay in the search for a while to see if maybe the lights would go on, and I might actually solve the riddle in the poem. Since another year has passed and I am still unable to solve it, I have decided to share some things that I have discovered during the last 3 years. I have never seen anyone share what I am about to so I hope that it enlightens someone, and helps toward a true solve.

I would like to share a few short articles containing things that have puzzled and amazed me over the last few years. I was originally going to share one long article, but decided maybe “bites” might be better so the things I share can really sink in and be of help to someone. I want to share some “speculations” in a couple of short articles, and finally a full solve I put together back in 2016 that I have always thought was good. (lol)

On July 27, 2016 I happened to be reading one of the News sources on the Internet (I have forgotten which one). I normally check CNN, ABC and FOX news to get a mix of the news. That fateful day there appeared an article about a man who had died (sadly) searching for the Treasure. I had never heard of the “Chase” before reading that article. I actually held myself back from reading it, as I feared I would be “hooked” on another treasure hunt (I had been involved in the TREASURE search for a golden horse back in 1984-1989 when I was younger). I read the story anyway. You guessed it—I was hooked on another treasure hunt—and have been “hooked” for 3 years now.

Now that I have decided to “let go” I want to share some unusual things that I have discovered during that time. My first “speculation” will be to share something I saw back on August 22, 2016 on Forrest’s 86th birthday. It was on Jenny Kile’s site “Mysterious Writings”. I had only been involved in the Chase for less than a month, but I was sure acrostics had something to do with solving the riddle in the poem. It may not be the ONLY thing required—but it definitely does involve acrostics. Let me show you why I believe this.
WHERE WARM WATERS HALT?

I had been very curious as to what the above set of words meant. Was it talking about water, rain, clouds, or rivers? Was there a special meaning to the words? I had once pondered whether “where warm waters halt” could be TEARS. Tears are warm. I knew that the “Trail of Tears” ends very close to Tulsa, Oklahoma, near the town of Talequah. The cabin for the Indian Sequoyah is near there. His English name was George Gist, and he was a silversmith. He was also disabled and limped. Sequoyah was a brilliant man who invented the written Cherokee language. It was an astonishing feat, and he has never had the recognition he deserved for having done this for his people. The name Gist was important to me, along with some of the other things concerning Sequoyah. The word “halt” always intrigued me, as “halt” in the Bible refers to a lame person. Sequoyah had a distinctive limp. Why would the “Chase” begin in Oklahoma? I do not know. If warm waters halt in Oklahoma, did Forrest begin there?

If he did start there, which direction did he go? Did he begin there and head southwest back towards New Mexico, or did he start there and head northwest towards Colorado, Wyoming of Montana? Is it possible that Forrest had left a meeting in one of those northern states, then flew to Tulsa Oklahoma, and then drove on to New Mexico? That would be the opposite direction than you would think he would have taken. Or had he rented a car there and driven north instead?

You may ask, Sparrow, why are you centering on Tulsa Oklahoma? Are you starting there because you “think” it might be the place? Is it because “tears”, and the coincidence that the “Trail of Tears” happens to end near where Sequoyah lived? Why would you think Oklahoma has anything to do with the Chase?
Let me explain why. During the short time I had been searching Forrest had made the statement that he hoped no one would check rental car agencies because there might be too much information involved. Then, shortly after on his birthday, 8-22-16, he left a cryptic message on “weekly words” on Jenny’s blog.
Here is his message of 8-22-16:
“Save your best smile until after you raise the lid.” f
https://mysteriouswritings.com/happy-birthday-forrest-fenn/

Most people would immediately think about the treasure chest. How happy someone would be once they had opened that lid and saw all of the glittering gold! Some said that maybe a camera was in the treasure chest, so that when opened it would snap a photo—so you should be smiling when it did take the picture. Many searchers left comments below the weekly words. I remember that I left words to the effect “OK, if you say so, but I have always preferred Enterprise”. No one commented back on what I had said at that time. You see, I look at the poem very differently than others do. I also look at sentences in a much different manner than others do. I constantly scan sentences for acrostics—it is just in my nature to do so. Let me show you what is actually in the sentence above. It is a hint given by Forrest—and most importantly, a hint given on his birthday. Did Forrest do something special on his birthday one year? Is that why he would share this hint on this very day?

Let us take a closer look at the sentence Forrest shared. We will begin by capitalizing all of the first letters in the words:
Save Your Best Smile Until After You Raise The Lid. f
The capital letters in acrostic form then spell out the following:
SYBSUAYRTL
I believe the “L” is actually there to tell what direction we should read the letters”
SYBSUAYRT  L
In other words, it is telling us to read from right towards the left.
If we now REVERSE the letters you will observe the following:
L TRYAUSBYS TRY AUSBYS (or “why not give Ausbys a shot?”)
Try Ausbys? What do you mean “Try Ausbys”? What is that supposed to mean? It helps if we go to this link—-it makes it much more clear:
https://www.ausbycarrentals.com/ You can also just Google “Ausby Car Rentals”.

You will notice that this car rental agency is small, and services Tulsa Oklahoma and Dallas Texas. As we all know Forrest is originally from Texas.

If Ausbys Car rentals are in Tulsa, Oklahoma, is Forrest hinting that he BEGAN his trip to hide the treasure near the very spot where the “Trail of Tears” comes to a halt? I believe that I can say without a doubt that I know the car rental agency Forrest used when hiding the treasure—-AUSBY CAR RENTALS. Or perhaps you are one of these people that will say “This is all coincidence. The fact that you can spell “TRY AUSBYS” with the letters in the sentence means nothing”.

I had actually shared this with two different searchers. One denied it meant anything—the other just said “Very interesting”.

I do not believe this is chance at all. Look at the sentence structure to “Save your best smile until after you raise the lid”. f It is created to hide a specific hint. I believe that hint refers to the rental car agency used to hide the Treasure. When? How many miles did he drive? Which direction did he go when he drove off in the rental? Towards New Mexico, or north towards the other three locations?
I think the answer to “When” is on his birthday. He shared this sentence on his 86th birthday—this is also a hint. But what year? A good detective might be able to find out the answers.

This is the first of a few “tidbits” that I would like to share over a few articles. Accept them or reject them. That is up to you. I offer this to help anyone who might be on the right track. I hope some future articles will also be of help. I am done. For further confirmation of my speculations please Google “Where does the trail of tears end?” To be continued……

-Sparrow

 

 

 

 

 

Marvel Gaze…the song

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AUGUST 2019
by Forrest Black

 

Forrest Black sent me this song he recorded with his wife in Germany. It is their musical interpretation of the poem. I don’t know if they live near the Black Forrest. He did mention that he has not been able to search for the chest yet. The song is titled “Marvel Gaze”.

Turn your sound on and click HERE to listen to their song.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tarry Scant With Marvel Gaze…

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JULY 2019
by dal

I’ve been listening to folks anatomize this phrase in Forrest’s poem for about eight years now. We searchers, it seems, struggle endlessly with the possibilities of attaching some kind of elaborate meaning to uncommon expressions, and there appears to be no shortage of either uncommon expressions or eccentric opinions in The Thrill of the Chase.

I too have had my Byzantine moments with those five simple words. I have struggled with what they could add up to and how they might help me find Indulgence. But when all is said and done, after thrashing my tired old brain with endless dead end theories, I generally return to my familiarity with Forrest and his habits, for a “true north” answer.

There are two characteristics and one position of Forrests that I relentlessly draw upon when attempting to analyze anything Forrest has spoken or written:

1. Forrest likes words
2. Forrest likes simple
3. Forrest likes to say, “Who said I couldn’t?”

Tarry scant with marvel gaze…

I believe Forrest is saying “Take your time and enjoy the lovely view”
How did I arrive at that???

Tarry scant…

Tarry in this case matches the word “linger” or “dawdle” or even “rest”.

Scant is most commonly heard in recipes…as in “a scant cup of milk”, or “use a scant teaspoon of lemon juice”. It means “nearly”. In other words use almost a cup of milk or use just short of a teaspoon of lemon.

So tarry scant means to “dawdle some” or “linger a bit” or another way of saying it might be, take your time but don’t take all the time…don’t take all day…

The question now becomes…why linger here? Why is Forrest suggesting that we should rest in this spot? In fact he is telling us something important about the hidey spot.

Moving on to “marvel gaze”…

This is the reason we will want to not be in a rush to leave the hidey place…

“Marvel” is short for marvelous..something amazing…a spectacle…

“Gaze” refers to staring…looking…gawking…

So marvel gaze means to “look at the marvelous view”…

In its entirety, “tarry scant with marvel gaze”, simply means to “linger a bit and look at the beautiful view”.

The hidey spot is…as Forrest has described it in the New Mexico Tourism video…to paraphrase his description…a lovely place to behold.

This is the antithesis of what many folks have interpreted that phrase to mean for many years…most have put forward that we should not linger at the lovely view…and we should grab the chest and move quickly away…

Others have tried to attach wholly unrealistic (in my opinion) meanings to the phrase that have to do with descriptions of the blaze or just odd nonsense describing anything from black tar to white slabs…but these have nothing to do with what Forrest intended that phrase to mean, in my opinion.

As mentioned a moment ago, most searchers seem to believe that those five words meant we should grab the chest and get out of the area quickly. The unanswered question was always, “why”. Why do we need to hurry out of this place where we found the chest? Is there danger at the hidey spot? 

I believe the answer is that he is not telling us to take the chest and move quickly on. He is instead saying, take your time. You’ve worked hard to find the chest and now is the moment to relax and enjoy the view.

How is this useful in helping us search for the chest?…well I believe the chest is in a beautiful place with a wondrous view, just as Forrest said in the New Mexico Tourism video. So I should eliminate any final resting place for Indulgence that does not meet those expectations. If the clues lead me to a pile of trash or an urban street, or anywhere not bucolic and marvelous, I need to start over with my solution.

We have suspected this all along. We always believed that Forrest would choose a place for his final resting place that was lovely and peaceful and “marvelous”…and I believe he has even told us that much in a single five word phrase in the poem…

So in my mind we should all stop puzzling over the meaning of those five words and get on with finding the correct place to start…

Tarry scant with marvel gaze…
Take your time and enjoy the view…

The New Mexico Tourism video can be found HERE