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Homestead Meadows Solve……

by TIM O


I wanted to share my thoughts on a possible solve in the Homestead Meadows area of Colorado- there are a few things that jump out at me right away-

  • As I have gone alone in there= Hermit Park-See map below
  • Begin it where warm waters halt/Your effort will  be worth the cold= not an actual body of water- Possibly an old ice chest
  • From there it’s no place for the meek=Lion Gulch Trail/Lion Head peak- see map
  • Not far, but too far to walk= drove past Hermit park and down into Kruger Rock Trail-see map
  • Home of Brown= the old Brown Homestead
  • No Paddle up your creek=no actual body of water and/or dried up creek
  • If you have been wise and have found the blaze= actual fire in 2002 here
  • If you are brave and in the wood= possibly in/under one of the other homesteads or old ice chest..
  • Elevation fits within the parameters mentioned previously
  • Forrest could certainly walk 1 ½ miles to 2 miles x 2 in one day

I think some of the other solves I have seen are just far to complex- this may be some out of the box thinking but this is what it will take for somebody to find the chest..

Please keep me in mind if somebody does find the treasure and please feel free to email me at timothyponeil@gmail.com if you would like to discuss further..

-Tim O

Not At 40.41025N/105.5555W . . . Black Canyon, CO……




Last spring, on this site, I asserted that I had a unique solution to the poem.  And I promised to post it if it failed in the field.  Today, I am making good on that promise.  

Given the time delay, some of you may be wondering, “So why did you wait so long to send it in?”  

Fair question; in short, because I needed to assure myself that I wasn’t giving away information of extreme value too hastily, or for the wrong reasons.  As I have ridded myself of those concerns, I have chosen to give others the benefits of my thoughts and methods.

What follows is a complex solve. It is stunning and hideous at the same time. It is also incorrect! Please let me reiterate that:  IT IS INCORRECT!  This is not Mr. Fenn’s solution.  Whether he deliberately wrote this solution into the poem or not, I cannot say for certain.  All I can say is that I did not know what I was doing in advance.  I simply followed the directions in the poem in a certain way, and this is the result.  Hopefully, neither one of us will be disparaged too greatly for creating the intersection of creative thought described herein.


Many searchers believe that the poem cannot be solved using anything other than imaginative word associations and maps.  While I cannot prove that this perspective is incorrect, I do not subscribe to it myself.  I believe that the successful searcher will have a coordinate in hand before heading out to the mountains.  

For my assertion to be true, letters must be converted to numbers in some way.  And for letters to be successfully converted to numbers, very precise validations must be provided such that the possibility of miscommunication between the searcher and the author are minimized.  My methodology provides context for both parts of this information exchange.  I identify a potential validation structure, select inputs of interest, and compare output results to expected outcomes.  Obviously for this case, my inputs are incorrect relative to the validation structure I’ve identified and chosen to use.  

Of the two components necessary, I see most searchers completely engrossed on the input side of the house.  People are racking their brains trying to decide whether this warm spring, that hot creek, that warm-to-cold water fishing regulation rule change spot, etc. is the right one and why.  While I cannot prove that this approach cannot work, I do know that it is not for me. 


Because I find it illogical, and I know that I cannot solve an illogical puzzle nearly as well as many, many other people.  Now a logical, math-driven solution, with that structure, I like my chances. So for clearly personally-motivated reasons, I’ve spent my time trying to use puzzle solving strategies to crack the code and decipher the winning location. What follows is only one of hundreds of solution attempts that I’ve made, and because it is a statistical outlier across several fields of possible inquiry, I am happy to show it to you. Hopefully you glean some insight into how the poem can be approached from perspectives beyond those of imaginative place name association techniques.


I see a lot of discussion on the site regarding the distinction between hints and clues.  Frankly the whole subject bores me.  The poem is a puzzle, there waiting to be solved.  Now I’m sure that Mr. Fenn has a very distinct line in mind when he defines these words, but I do not know what that line is at all.  Therefore, I’ve chosen to ignore those distinctions completely in favor of my own personal terms:  Observations, Inputs, Solution Steps, Outputs, Validations, After-The-Fact-Observations.  A solution such as the one I am about to present cannot come from a vacuum.  Initial observations are needed.  Initial assumptions that define inputs to test are needed.  I believe it is critical to apply the scientific method to the solution process in order to have the best chance for success.  That this particular effort proved unsuccessful means nothing to the process needed.  But I digress a bit.  Let’s get it on!

There are many points about the poem that lead me to believe that a mathematical solution is involved.  But the most important ones are the following:

The four corners of the poem contain the following letters:

Line 1: A(s) (ther)E

Line 24: I (gol)D

Read from lower left around CCW yields:  IDEA!

The four corners of Lines 2/23 contain the following letters:

Line 2: A(nd) (bol)D

Line 23: I(f) (woo)D

Read from lower left around CW yields:  I ADD!

Using simple substitution, where A=1, B=2, C=3 . . . J=1, K=2, . . . Z=8

I = 9

A+D+D = 1+4+4 = 9

I = ADD!

The 5th letters in from the right and left Lines 2/23 contain the following letters:

Line 2: (w)I(th) (treasure)S

Line 23: (yo)U (th)E

From upper left around CW yields:  I SEU! = I SE(e) (yo)U! = I USE!

I = 9

S+E+U = 1+5+3 = 9

This information seems to validate the use of summative reduction numerology and the selected use of anagrams and puzzle-type extrapolations as possible solution techniques. 

So the question is:  Are these important observations, or random hits?  

Fair question, so I’ll weigh in with my personal opinion.  Yours may differ.  

My experience with working on the poem for a long time indicates that there is something here.  Some will trot out confirmation bias as a reason to ignore my opinion, and honestly, I cannot fully refute that.  All I can say is that, for me, I see enough here to persevere and keep trying. I see a math puzzle that can be solved, and hopefully, before I’m through, you will be inspired to tinker with my techniques, too.

My next major observation is that a lot of math is possible across “To Be.”  Candidly, I owe Brock Swenson for pointing this out to me via his seminal primer, “Not Just Another Solution.” His work paved the way for me to get started.  Everything you see here is built upon his foundation.  “Not Just Another Solution” can be viewed on Dal’s site, and I recommend it wholeheartedly for anyone who wants to come over to the dark side after reading this in its entirety!

“To Be” is used conventionally in 8 lines.  

Line 9:  From there it’s no place for the meek  (present tense: IS)

Line 10:  The end is ever drawing nigh  (present tense:  IS)

Line 11:  There’ll be no paddle up your creek  (future tense:  WILL BE)

Line 13:  If you’ve been wise and found the blaze  (past tense:  HAVE BEEN) 

Line 17:  So why is it that I must go  (present to future tense question transition:  IS)

Line 20:  I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak  (past to present tense:  AM)

Line 22:  Your effort will be worth the cold  (future tense:  WILL BE)

Line 23:  If you are brave and in the wood  (future tense:  ARE)

There are also several unconventional uses of “To Be” where forms are embedded in other words. For purposes of this solution, I focused my math pre-work on these eight conventional uses first, leaving the others for review later.  But just for clarity and completeness, I will list them here.  Also note that the embedded AR’s seem to be useful for letter swaps more than math, IMO. Letter swaps are not involved in this solve, by the way.

Line 5:  Begin it where wARm waters halt  (present tense:  AR(e))

Line 7:  Not fAR, but too fAR to walk  (present tense twice:  AR(e))

Line 13:  If you’ve been wISe and found the blaze  (present tense:  IS)

Line 15:  But tARry scant with mARvel gaze  (present tense twice: AR(e))

Line 21:  So heAR me all and lISten good  (present tense:  AR(e) & IS)

Line 23:  If you ARe brave and in the wood  (present tense:  AR(e))

Simple substitution math key will be used for this HINT-LEVEL math:










Beginning math checks on Line 9:  From there it’s no place for the meek . . . 

From = 6+9+6+4 = 25

There = 2+8+5+9+5 = 29

It = 9+2 = 11

No = 5+6 = 11

Place = 7+3+1+3+5 = 19

For = 6+6+9 = 21

The = 2+8+5 = 15

Meek = 4+5+5+2 = 16


It = No = 11

Words directly across IS are equal.

There + It = 29 + 11 = 40

Place + For = 19 + 21 = 40

There It = Place For = 40 = 4+0 = 4

Place FOR is 4!

The rest looks random. Full left never equals full right.

Next, Line 10:  The end is ever drawing nigh . . . 

The = 2+8+5 = 15

End = 5+5+4 = 14 = 1+4 = 5

Ever = 5+4+5+9 = 23 = 2+3 = 5

Drawing = 4+9+1+5+9+5+7 = 40

Nigh = 5+9+7+8 = 29


End = Ever = 5

Words directly across IS are equal yet again!

Note:  The odds that any two letters, word or phrase sums are equal using this method are 1 in 9. So the fact that both pairs of words are equal is nice, but not yet persuasive.

The + End = 15+14 = 29

Nigh = 29

The End = Nigh = 29

Note that the full left could equal the full right if unreduced letter values were used initially in place of the reduced ones listed above:

The + End = 20+8+5+5+14+4 = 56 = 11

Ever + Drawing + Nigh = 5+22+5+18+4+18+1+23+9+14+7+14+9+7+8 = 164 = 1+6+4 = 11

This might be a tip to use unreduced letter values instead of reduced ones. In most cases, letter state is irrelevant, but occasionally a total gets affected. Thus it pays to understand the nuances and pitfalls of this type of analysis!

As this is HINT-LEVEL math only, I’m not concerned about this outcome at all, as my primary focus is on the words directly across “To Be” right now.

Next, Line 11:  There’ll be no paddle up your creek . . .

There = 2+8+5+9+5 = 29 = 2+9 = 11 = 1+1 = 2

No = 5+6 = 11

Paddle = 7+1+4+4+3+5 = 28 = 2+8 = 10

Up = 3+7 = 10

Your = 7+6+3+9 = 25

Creek = 3+9+5+5+2 = 24


There = No = 11

For a third time, the words directly across TO BE are equal. 

There = 11 = 1+1 = 2

Paddle + Up = 10 + 10 = 20 = 2+0 = 2

Once again, full left does not equal full right. 

Line 13 has two significant structural differences relative to the lines examined so far. 

  1. Past tense structure likely indicates that the sentence will behave differently!
  2. “You” presented as first term on the left indicates likely structural change if solver action is required to create equality, rather than equality being provided initially!

So, skipping ahead to the similar usage found in Line 17!

Line 17:  So why is it that I must go . . .

So = 1+6 = 7

Why = 5+8+7 = 20 = 2+0 = 2

It = 9+2 = 11 = 1+1 = 2

That = 2+8+1+2 = 13

I = 9

Must = 4+3+1+2 = 10

Go = 7+6 = 13


Why = It = 2

For a fourth time, the words directly across “To Be” are equal. 

Let me reiterate that! There are exactly four lines with similar construction across “To Be” and all four lines have words of equal value directly across from each other. 

Odds on any pair being equal are 1 in 9. Yet it happened four times in a row! Statistically this means:

1/9 x 1/9 x 1/9 x 1/9 = 1/6561 =.0001524

This equates to a .01524 percent chance of this arrangement happening randomly. So I’m saying that there’s a chance that Mr. Fenn did this unintentionally, but I’m more than willing to take the HINT that there is something going on across “To Be” and I need to understand what that is!

Now the other four lines act differently because they relate to future work. The fact that they do not solve now is a hint that it’s up to the searcher to find the letter values needed to make the equations work properly. 

But before we try to solve anything, let’s continue reviewing these initial lines!

Line 13:  If you’ve been wise and found the blaze . . . 

If = 9+6 = 15

You = 7+6+3 = 16

Wise = 5+9+1+5 = 20

And = 1+5+4 = 10

Found = 6+6+3+5+4 = 24

The = 2+8+5 = 15

Blaze = 2+3+1+8+5 = 19


Note that You (16) not equal to Wise (20)!

BUT:   W = E = 5 (from wISe!)

Observe that the structurally similar application of my words directly across “To Be” still works here for the present tense case, even though there are no words, only single letters in play! This is very sneaky and it lends credence to my theory! 

So, technically, I did not have to skip Line 13 at all! It works as it should, and it informs me that I need to do some work to make the other part of the equation correct later!

Everything else here, at this point, is irrelevant IMO. Next up, Line 21!

Since Line 13, with embedded IS in WISE worked, I want to check up on the IS in LISTEN, Line 21!

Line 21:  So hear me all and listen good . . . 

So = 1+6 = 7

Hear = 8+5+1+9 = 23

Me = 4+5 = 9

All = 1+3+3 = 7

And = 1+5+4 = 10

L = 3

Ten = 2+5+5 = 12

Good = 7+6+6+4 = 23


L = 12 unreduced and 3 reduced.

Ten = 12 = 1+2 = 3.

For a sixth time, the structure works as it did the first time through! That is truly stunning!

1/9×1/9×1/9×1/9×1/9×1/9 = 1/531441 = .0000018816

That’s .00018816 percent chance for those of you keeping track at home! 

Deny this all you want, but recognize that your denial matters not to whether there is math involved, but it certainly may diminish your chances of succeeding should these concepts be involved with the winning solution!

Hear = Good = 23 = 2+3 = 5

Hear + Me = 23 + 9 = 32 = 3+2 = 5

All + L = 7+3 = 10

Ten is 10 linguistically!

There are meaningful equalities all over the place here! I respectfully suggest that you listen up and take the HINT!

Returning to Line 20:  I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak . . . 

I = 9

Ve = 4+5 = 9 

Have = 8+1+4+5 = 9

Done = 4+6+5+5 = 20

It = 9+2 = 11

Tired = 2+9+9+5+4 = 29

And = 1+5+4 = 10

Now = 5+6+5 = 16

I = 9

I’m = 9+4 = 13

Weak = 5+5+1+2 = 13


Note that I=9 not equal to Weak = 13 = 1+3 = 4

But I’m = Weak = 13

While this is technically incorrect as I believe that the contraction should not count, one can make a case that this structure works. Whether Mr. Fenn intended this equality be a positive hit or not, I don’t know. But I can take a HINT when I see one. 

Done + Tired = 20 + 29 = 49 = 4+9 = 13

Done +  It + Tired + Now = 20+11+29+16 = 76 = 7+6 = 13

Weak = 13

Last I checked, “done tired” and “done it tired now” both equal “weak” linguistically, too!

Moving on to Line 22:  Your effort will be worth the cold . . . 

Your = 7+6+3+9 = 25 = 2+5 = 7

Effort = 5+6+6+6+9+2 = 34 = 3+4 = 7

Worth = 5+6+9+2+8 = 30

The = 2+8+5 = 15

Cold = 3+6+3+4 = 16

F = 6

EF = 5+6 = 11

EFF = 5+6+6 = 17

T = 2

W = 5

TH = 2+8 = 10


Note that Effort not equal to Worth

Note that neither F, EF, EFF or T equal W or TH! This implies that a logic problem across “To Be” is NOT in play! (At least not this time! LOL!)

Note that Worth+The+Cold = 30+15+16 = 61 = 7

Your = Effort = Worth + The + Cold = 7!

Note that Your + Effort not equal to Worth + The + Cold!!

This, for me, is the MOST CRITICAL observation so far! YOUR EFFORT does not equal WORTH THE COLD! I think that these terms need to match! I think everything rides on making these terms match!


Fair question!

At some point in this chase we all must reach inside ourselves and make a determination about what is incontrovertibly right, what is incontrovertibly wrong and what is open for interpretation and/or negotiation.  The Engineer in me says, this Line, right here, this one must solve properly, in full, or the answer is going to be WRONG! So if my gut is incorrect about this, then I have no chance to win. End of story for me. 

Finishing OLD MATH with Line 23:  If you are brave and in the wood . . . 

If = 9+6 = 15

You = 7+6+3 = 16 = 1+6 = 7

Brave = 2+9+1+4+5 = 21

And = 1+5+4 = 10

In = 9+5 = 14

The = 2+8+5 = 15

Wood = 5+6+6+4 = 21


Note that You not equal to Brave 

Brave+And+Wood = 21+10+21 = 52 = 5+2 = 7

You = Brave+And+Wood = 7

Once again, a significant equality, but full left not equal to full right. So the structure of the You/I equations are similar to, but never identical to each other. I believe that it is my job to make all of these equations solve properly. That’s my theory, so let’s try to make it happen!


There are, of course, myriad ways to create solutions from a blank slate. At first I tried permutation after permutation using the directions in the poem, making rectangles all over the place. Some of them seemed to work out, most did not. 

These failures got me to thinking outside the follow the directions mode of solving. A tip from a friend put me on a track to simplify the process. What follows is a direct result of that tip. 

Mr. Fenn has said that there are nine clues in the poem. I decided to try to find nine inputs and then see what kind of a solution might be possible from there. 

Before making my choices, though, I noticed that Canyon and Brown both totaled 72 (unreduced letter totals) as follows:

Canyon = 3+1+14+25+15+14 = 72

Brown = 2+18+15+23+14 = 72

Given that both these key words had the same raw total, I decided to select 7 alphanumeric key change point inputs one way and 2 inputs by another way. 

For the larger set of 7, I decided to use letters directly across “To Be”, last on left = first on right.

The letters I chose for this subset were:

Line 9:  iT=No . . . T becomes N

Line 10:  enD=Ever . . . D becomes E

Line 11:  therE=No . . . E becomes N

Line 13:  yoU=Wise . . . U becomes W

Line 13:  W=E . . . W becomes E

Line 17:  whY=It . . . Y becomes I

Line 21:  L=Ten . . . L remains L, but value changes to 10! (note that this alternate usage probably doomed this entire solve, but I did not figure that out until after the fact)

For the other two inputs I used “I” loops:

Lines 1/24, 7th letters in:

Line 1(hav)EI(n)

Line 24 (y)O(u)T(he)

Reading from upper right CW yields:  I TO E . . . I becomes E

Lines 2/23, 5th letters in, already discussed:  I SE U . . . S becomes E

Ok. I now have nine alphanumeric answers that I want to see become active in my final answer key . . . 

Can it be done??

I already know that I have to begin my trek on Line 5 because this is where the first CLUE is housed. Let’s put up a grid and see what happens next!

A s I h a v e g o n e a l o n e I n t h e r e 

A n d w I t h m y t r e a s u r e s b o l d 

I c a n k e e p m y s e c r e t w h e r e 

A n d h I n t o f r I c h e s n e w a n d o l d 

B e g I n I t w h e r e w a r m w a t e r s h a l t 

A n d t a k e I t I n t h e c a n y o n d o w n 

N o t f a r b u t t o o f a r t o w a l k 

P u t I n b e l o w t h e h o m e o f B r o w n 

F r o m t h e r e I t s n o p l a c e f o r t h e m e e k 

T h e e n d I s e v e r d r a w I n g n I g h 

T h e r e l l b e n o p a d d l e u p y o u r c r e e k

J u s t h e a v y l o a d s a n d w a t e r h I g h 

I f y o u v e b e e n w I s e a n d f o u n d t h e b l a z e 

L o o k q u I c k l y d o w n y o u r q u e s t t o c e a s e 

B u t t a r r y s c a n t w I t h m a r v e l g a z e 

J u s t t a k e t h e c h e s t a n d g o I n p e a c e 

S o w h y I s I t t h a t I  m u s t g o 

A n d l e a v e m y t r o v e f o r a l l t o s e e k 

T h e a n s w e r s I a l r e a d y k n o w 

I v e d o n e I t t I r e d a n d n o w I m w e a k 

S o h e a r m e a l l a n d l I s t e n g o o d 

Y o u r e f f o r t w I l l b e w o r t h t h e c o l d 

I f y o u a r e b r a v e a n d I n t h e w o o d 

I g I v e y o u t I t l e t o t h e g o l d 


Line 5:  Begin it:  W here!

Answer:  W At!

Validation:  Where+Warm+Waters+Halt = 5+8+5+9+5+5+1+9+4+5+1+2+5+9+1+8+1+3+2 = 88 = 8+8 = 16

The 17th letter in Line 5 is the “W” in “Waters!” 

The first instruction is to accept the first three letters in WAT ers and do nothing else. Visually, I have:

B e g I n I t w h e r e w a r m w a t e r s h a l t 

Line 6:  And take it:  “IN” the canyon down!

Answer:  homophone “EN” where second “N” on “canyoN” is directly below the “E” in “WATErs”

Validation:  In+The = 9+5+2+8+5 = 29 = 2+9 = 11 = 1+1 = 2

B e g I n I t w h e r e w a r m w a t e r s h a l t 

A n d t a k e I t I n t h e c a n y o n d o w n 

N o t f a r b u t t o o f a r t o w a l k 

Line 7:  Not far, but “TOO” far to walk!

Answer:  “TOO” is the only pure number in the poem. For all military codes, “TOO” means the number “2”! So extend the line from the current stop on the “L” and extend it down two more letters as shown:

B e g I n I t w h e r e w a r m w a t e r s h a l t 

A n d t a k e I t I n t h e c a n y o n d o w n 

N o t f a r b u t t o o f a r t o w a l k 

P u t I n b e l o w t h e h o m e o f B r o w n 

F r o m t h e r e I t s n o p l a c e f o r t h e m e e k 

Validation:  “Put in below” signifies a change of direction underneath Brown.

“From there” doubles down on this change of direction concept, especially since the “F” is in this Line already.

Line 9:  From there it’s (k)no(w) place!

Answer:  Move left through PLACE, stopping before reaching NO/(k)NO(w) homophone combination!

Validation:  The end is drawing nigh = means keep left as you move “From there!”

B e g I n I t w h e r e w a r m w a t e r s h a l t 

A n d t a k e I t I n t h e c a n y o n d o w n 

N o t f a r b u t t o o f a r t o w a l k 

P u t I n b e l o w t h e h o m e o f B r o w n 

F r o m t h e r e I t s n o p l a c e f o r t h e m e e k 

Line 11:  There’ll be (k)NO(w) paddle “UP” . . . 

Answer:  Currently on “P” with half a “Paddle” directly below, so use what’s available going Down!

B e g I n I t w h e r e w a r m w a t e r s h a l t 

A n d t a k e I t I n t h e c a n y o n d o w n 

N o t f a r b u t t o o f a r t o w a l k 

P u t I n b e l o w t h e h o m e o f B r o w n 

F r o m t h e r e I t s n o p l a c e f o r t h e m e e k 

T h e e n d I s e v e r d r a w I n g n I g h 

T h e r e l l b e n o p a d d l e u p y o u r c r e e k


A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z 

W A T E N L B F E C A L P A D X X X X X X X X X X X X 

Half the alphabet down, and four for four on my hypothesized input/output exchanges! Wow! What’s next?

Status report: 

I have half of a blaze, I need exactly 12 more letters, but I lack instructions at this point! Perhaps I can draw my way to a complete nine for nine solution?

Line 14 hints:  “your quest to cease”

Answer:  2 C’s!

Using this idea, I added to my letter string as follows: 

My first “C”:  Down from “D” in “padDle” to “A” in “And”, left to “S” in “loadS”, down to “SE” in “wiSE”

My second “C”: Down from “E” in “wisE” to “N” in “dowN”, left to “W” in “doWN”, down through “W” in “With” to “ES” in “chESt”. 

These two moves add 10 letters to the blaze. 

I chose to finish the blaze by moving upwards and finishing with “IN” per Line 16, “go IN peace!”

Note 1:  In retrospect, I should have realized that moving upwards violated the instruction of Line 11, but alas, I did not!

Note 2:  The completed blaze, when seen, will be a shock to some. For that, I apologize in advance! But, it is what it is, and I can’t do anything about it now!

So here it is, the full blaze, in all it’s glory:

B e g I n I t w h e r e w a r m w a t e r s h a l t 

A n d t a k e I t I n t h e c a n y o n d o w n 

N o t f a r b u t t o o f a r t o w a l k 

P u t I n b e l o w t h e h o m e o f B r o w n 

F r o m t h e r e I t s n o p l a c e f o r t h e m e e k 

T h e e n d I s e v e r d r a w I n g n I g h 

T h e r e l l b e n o p a d d l e u p y o u r c r e e k

J u s t h e a v y l o a d s a n d w a t e r h I g h 

I f y o u v e b e e n w I s e a n d f o u n d t h e b l a z e 

L o o k q u I c k l y d o w n y o u r q u e s t t o c e a s e 

B u t t a r r y s c a n t w I t h m a r v e l g a z e 

J u s t t a k e t h e c h e s t a n d g o I n p e a c e 

So what is this a picture of?  Rotate the grid 90 degrees CW and I see a scrotum and an erect penis!

Yes, people! I have “WOOD” on your screen. Linguistically-, mathematically-, artistically-derived “WOOD”! For that, I apologize, but then again, it is pretty funny, too! 

Drawing Validation: all 9 of my input/output combinations hit!

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z 

W A T E N L B F E C A L P A D A S S E N W W E S I N 

The blaze, when written out, has a hidden message, too!


Holy cow! That is so weird, that I still don’t know what to make of it! But, given the drawing on the screen, the message seemed to really fit, so I ignored the weirdness and got down to finishing my solution pronto!


New alphanumeric key courtesy of the WOOD!

A B C D E F G H I J K  L M N O P Q  R   S T U V  W  X Y Z 

5 1 2 5 5 3 2  6 5 3 1 1 7  1  4 1 10 10 5 5 5  5 5 10 9 5 

Line 22:  Your effort will be worth the cold . . . 

Your = 9+4+5+10 = 28

Effort = 5+3+3+4+10+5 = 30

Worth = 5+4+10+5+6 = 30

The = 5+6+5 = 16

Cold = 2+4+1+5 = 12


Effort = Worth = 30 (Exactly!)

Your+Effort = 28+30 = 58

Worth+The+Cold = 30+16+12 = 58 

Your+Effort = Worth + The + Cold = 58 (Exactly!)

These are exact totals! No reductions! These are pure equalities, and EXACTLY how I want this line to operate!

Note:  These outputs are more than enough for me to continue looking at this very hard all the way to the end of the line! Line 23:  If you are brave and in the wood . . .

Technically, I’ve already got this line covered, but let’s check the math, anyway!

If = 5+3 = 8

You = 9+4+5 = 18

Brave = 1+10+5+5+5 = 26

And = 5+1+5 = 11

In = 5+1 = 6

The = 5+6+5 = 16

Wood = 5+4+4+5 = 18


If + You = 8+18 = 26 = Brave (Exactly!)

Brave + And + The + Wood = 8+2+7+9 = 26 (By reduction!)

Wow!  Exact equalities involving Brave and Wood! 

Thanks to a picture of WOOD!

Even now, I’m still stupefied at how this all came together!

If this isn’t an engineered solution, it a statistical anomaly of extreme proportions!

Continuing with Line 13:  If you’ve been wise and found the blaze . . . 

If = 5+3 = 8

You = 9+4+5 = 18

You’ve = 9+4+5+5+5 = 28

Been = 1+5+5+1 = 12

Wise = 5+5+5+5 = 20

And = 5+1+5 = 11

Found = 3+4+5+1+5 = 18

The = 5+6+5 = 16

Blaze = 1+1+5+5+5 = 17

If + You = 8+18 = 26 = 2+6 = 8

Wise + Found + The + Blaze = 20+18+16+17 = 71 = 7+1 = 8

If + You’ve + Been + W = 8+28+12+5 = 53 = 8

And + Found + The + Blaze = 2+9+7+8 = 26 = 8 (Note: E cannot be used here. Another RED FLAG missed!)

As this is getting very long, I’ll simply summarize the other equalities:

So+Why = It+Must+Go = 2  (Note:  Neither “That” nor “I” can be used here)

From+It = No+Place+For+The+Meek = 7  (Note: “There” cannot be used here)

The + End = Ever + Drawing + Nigh = 9  (Full left = Full right)

There = No+Paddle+Up+Your+Creek = 4  (Full left = Full right)

Done+It+Tired+Now+I = Weak = 7  (“I’ve” and “And” cannot be used here)

So+Hear+Me+All+L = Ten+Good = 8  (Full left = Full right)

While there are some imperfections, the correlations here are extremely strong! I must admit being blown away by the totality of the fit, and yet, IT WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH! Oh, the lessons we learn the hard way! LOL!


The only work left is to find the coordinates in the grid. 

Given that I have a picture of WOOD, I need to find “R” in a place where I can successfully enter the WOOD itself. 

B e g I n I t w h e r e w a r m w a t e r s h a l t 

A n d t a k e I t I n t h e c a n y o n d o w n 

N o t f a r b u t t o o f a r t o w a l k 

P u t I n b e l o w t h e h o m e o f B r o w n 

F r o m t h e r e I t s n o p l a c e f o r t h e m e e k 

T h e e n d I s e v e r d r a w I n g n I g h 

T h e r e l l b e n o p a d d l e u p y o u r c r e e k

J u s t h e a v y l o a d s a n d w a t e r h I g h 

I f y o u v e b e e n w I s e a n d f o u n d t h e b l a z e 

L o o k q u I c k l y d o w n y o u r q u e s t t o c e a s e 

B u t t a r r y s c a n t w I t h m a r v e l g a z e 

J u s t t a k e t h e c h e s t a n d g o I n p e a c e 

RDSSWW = 105.5555 . . . This is a longitude in CO!

I paired this with O space ORGU coming down from the “O” in “Down”, Line 6!

This combination seemed to fit with the tone of the solution at hand!

O space ORGU = 40.41025 . . . This is a latitude in CO!

The location is in the Roosevelt NF near Black Canyon Trail. Black Canyon felt like a very fitting location for this solution. The hike proved to be 3.2 miles one way with all but the last little bit on trail. This distance is right at the outside limit of what I felt was theoretically possible for Mr. Fenn to undertake. The lack of extreme elevation changes worked as a mitigating factor, but honestly, given the totality of correlations I had on paper, I was game for almost anything. Needless to say, Indulgence was not at this spot. I had a friend and a metal detector. We looked around the area for a good while, but I knew going it that this was a long shot scenario because I did not have a set of points on a map to bolster the work presented here!


So what went wrong?  

A lot of things, actually.  But the biggest mistake I made was getting too excited about some very positive math! The math, after all, WASN’T PERFECT . . . it was only ALMOST PERFECT!

Then there was the hike thing. It was too long. I don’t think Mr. Fenn could do that 6.4 mile round trip twice in an afternoon. I know for a fact that I was done after doing it once and I’m still in decent shape. So from now on, my hike limit is a 2-mile radius from park point for anything but almost flat ground!

Then there is the lack of connection to Mr. Fenn thing. Frankly, I discounted this far too much! I got too excited about my wacky solution and forgot to cover the basics! Mea culpa on that one! Will certainly do better next time!

Then there is the whole WWWH/HoB matter. From Mr. Fenn’s comments, there has to be more to these clues than a path through the poem. I discounted this aspect to my own detriment. Again, I won’t do that again.


As this solve is very strong, I may have missed something related to the Latitude. I really like the derivation of the Longitude coordinate. But I admit that I had to guess a bit on the Latitude. It is possible that a different set of letters could emerge from this solution, as presented. If so, you are welcome to review my work, find another answer, and investigate at will. All I can say is that I took my best shot and came up dry with this solution. Your results, should you play with this further, may vary!


Even in defeat, I like this solution. It is certainly possible that another path through the poem might generate a positive result.  I hope that one will work out for you, should you dare to revise this one, or look for another possible answer; but, after working with these possible paths for over a year, I decided to scrap the blaze-inside-the-poem concept altogether. I have a new methodology and a new solution in hand. With any luck, I’ll be able to walk right to the chest later this summer.  If not, I’ll publish it and admit defeat once and for all!

You see, this chase is what we make it. For me, the chase has provided me with a chance to solve a difficult puzzle using my abilities to the fullest extent.  No matter what happens next, I’ve already  done that.  No matter where I go or what else I do to dream up another answer, I will never be able to top the place I plan to go next.  Thus, for me, the chase is already over . . . I’ve run my race.  There is only victory or defeat in the offing now, and only time will tell which of those it will be.

Either way, I will walk away proudly, knowing that I’ve given this opportunity everything I could muster. 


Making predictions about what will happen in the chase may be foolhardy, but I’m going to put a few things out there, anyway.

The complexity of this solution goes far beyond statistical randomness. I don’t believe it is random at all. I believe that I am looking at an intentionally-constructed outcome. I believe this is Mr. Fenn’s CRUDE solution! 

You see, I think that Mr. Fenn anticipated guys like me coming along and he wrote us a note beforehand. That note said, “Great thinking . . . but screw you, Dude! Keep trying! LOL!”

Based on this outcome, I am absolutely certain that an elegant, perfect-math solution is out there waiting to be found! It’s there, just waiting on someone else to come along and discover it for the very first time! 

The alternative, of course, is that the correct solution is NOT math-based at all. But if it isn’t, why go to the trouble to derive and provide a solution of this complexity at all? Think about that for a minute, please! If you do, I think you’ll realize the importance of what I just said!

I further predict that the math verifications will be predicated on more intricately devised arrangements than full left = full right on a single line, as I’ve postulated here.

I further predict that the final solution will use far more interesting puzzle construction techniques than the ones encountered here . . . and these are GREAT!

I further predict that the inputs will be exactly 2, not 9! Line 7 provides the number, and it is “TOO!”

The puzzle must be worked backwards, reverse engineered. While the inputs are few, the answers are all provided, and the most astute searcher will be able to put all the pieces together successfully. 

Essentially, Mr. Fenn has written a double-sided, but 90-degree rotated picture puzzle for us to solve. If you’ve never worked one of these before, take it from me, they are hard because there are pictures on both sides of every piece. When working them, one often puts together little sections, then those sections have to be disassembled and reassembled after flipping and rotating. I find myself doing the same things with my ideas here. And this is harder than any double-sided puzzle because we lack a box top of the picture itself. We must imagine the picture, and the only way that I’ve been able to make any headway at all is to play with the letters in the poem grid! I humbly suggest working with the grid until you begin to see some light and shadows through the forest of letters provided.


As for me, I want to thank Mr. Fenn for giving me the opportunity to stretch my mind and think about things in ways that I’ve never done before.  And, if I get nothing else beyond that out of this effort, then I will have been well-compensated, indeed. 

May all of you achieve the similar outcomes!


My Take on the Word That is Key…

MAY 2018

by JOHN R.


I have been in the Chase for two years now. Like everyone else I have my own ideas on how to solve the poem and retrieve the chest. I have been working on Forrests’ statement on the Key Word.

The full statement is:

It is interesting to know that a great number of people are out there searching. Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key. The treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated.

The word that I think is Key is HEARTH. Please bear with me.

I will work with Tight Focus.

If you look up the definition of  focus there are many definitions, but the one we shall look at is:

 A point at which rays of light or other radiation converge or from which they appear to diverge, as after refraction or reflection in an optical system.

This is the effect when you have a magnifying glass outside in the sun. If you aim the magnifying glass at a piece of paper, the suns rays enter the glass and are concentrated into a focal point, or Tight Focus, onto the paper which burns when its ignition temperature is reached.

The origin of the word focus is interesting. It originates in the 1640’s from Latin focus, meaning Hearth or fireplace. This also referred to home or family, as in years gone by the fireplace,( or hearth) was a focal point of the home where people gathered.

Hearth can also refer to a slab of concrete or stone in front of a fireplace, or the bottom part of a furnace in which the molten metal is produced or contained. Forrest would have been familiar with this term during his Bronze casting days. Don’t forget the various times that Forrest has mentioned sitting by his fireplace, and the importance Forrest places on family.

Not convinced yet that Hearth is the key word? Try this.

On Jenny Kiles site on the 23rd June 2015, Forrest was asked how he went about melding bronze to iron. He replied that it was done using a Heliarc, which uses an inert gas to keep the oxygen away, allowing the 2 metals to meld together. Now this is where it gets interesting. Heliarc welding is done using Helium or Argon gas as these are inert gases. So now we split the word Hearth up and use the Periodic Table.

He = Helium        

Ar = Argon

Th= Thorium

Thorium Oxide is used as a stabiliser in tungsten electrodes in Heliarc or TIG welding. Remember Forrest referring to Thor? Thorium is named after Thor, the Norse God of thunder. Thorium is also the 90th element on the periodic table. Lines up with all the references to the number 90. Maybe that is why the section on Jennys site was called Periodic Words from Forrest?

Still not convinced? Try this:

In Forrests books and blogs there are many photographs and references to hats, and in particular womens hats. Annabelles hat, Mildew and Bella Abzug come to mind as well as the painting shown on page 186 of TFTW.




Take the 3 letters in the first line. They spell HAT. Take the 3 letters in the second line and rearrange them They spell HER. HER HAT.

If you don’t think anagrams are part of the solve, then I guess you will not think that Hearth is the key word.

In my opinion I believe that Hearth is the key word that Forrest is looking for, but who knows until the chest is found. I would appreciate your thoughts.

-John R.

Rule Out Beartrap……

by VJ


Actually, I think someone else came to the conclusion that Bear Trap Canyon in Montana probably wasn’t the location of the treasure,

But I figured they hadn’t considered everything…like I had, because I was sure.

My son Jeffrey and I flew into Bozeman, MT on Friday, April 27, 2018 on our quest to find the Fenn treasure.  We both have a little of the wanderlust in us, and definitely like seeing new places.  I think mainly he just wanted to get out of town for a few days, and this was a great excuse.

Anyway, I felt a little safer traipsing through the wilderness with someone along rather than by myself.  However, he is a faster runner than I am.

As the story title indicates, I had settled on Bear Trap Canyon, MT, just north of Lake Ennis, which is formed by the dam on the Madison River as it winds its way north to converge with the Jefferson and Gallatin. (to form the mighty Missouri)  Now the word “dam” may have just jumped out at you as something Forrest commented on recently.  I actually found that quote a day or so before we left for Bozeman, and was having high anxiety about it.  (Forrest, in an effort to get everyone off of the dams throughout the Rockies, said that “Where warm waters halt” had nothing to do with a dam).  Again, I thought I knew better, and that Mr. Fenn may have fooled everyone else, but not me.  I’ll explain my reasoning.



I cannot find the link, but one of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) websites, describes fishing at Lake Ennis, and says that “since the lake Is relatively shallow throughout (ten feet at its deepest), it is referred to as “warm water”.( I believe I paraphrased that really close), but my point is, the author did not say the water is warm because it is shallow, but because it is shallow it is called “warm”.  Significant.

Okay, the “halt” part.  As a noun, halt means a suspension of movement or activity.  A suspension, not a dead stop.  The dam on Ennis Lake is not your conventional dam, it is called a timber crib.

Water pushes through the timber crib; it is slowed down or halted, but not permanently stopped.  Although Forrest said to exclude dams from our solutions, technically,

I was not dealing with your typical dam, it is a timber crib.  As a verb though, halt means to bring to a complete stop. So, another  fault in my reasoning, but I wanted to make this work.  All right, we move on.



At this point, we are at the very south end of Bear Trap.  The word down is very important; down means to follow the directional flow of the water, which in this case is north.  Upstream would be counter to the flow, or south.  So we are going north.  Another reason I liked this location is because there are no trails at this end of the canyon, and Forrest said that the treasure is not near a trail.  It’s all coming together.



There is a “Put In” for rafts and floating craft below the timber crib and it is located at the end of Barn Creek Road at the Power Station.  Looking at all of the maps, Google Earth, etc, I concluded that an 80 year man could wade and walk the distance from there to the creek, in two trips, in one afternoon.  Distance on the computer map was approximately 1.5 miles from the Put In to the creek on the west side.  This had to be the spot!  But…..conclusions based on images from the computer do not necessarily convey what you see in person.

Oh, and HOME OF BROWN…….I did not put as much emphasis on this clue as my fellow explorers, although no doubt, it is important.  I made sure that the word “below”  worked in this scenario, and it did.  “Below” follows the same directional flow as “down” in the above paragraph, and then… home of Brown?  Lake Ennis…..monster Brown trout cruise the vegetated channels of this shallow lake.  Looking good.

Although narrow and sometimes rough, you can drive all the way to the Power Station on Barn Creek Road.  Scenery is breathtaking.  Once there though, my heart began to sink.

The Power Station blocks all access on the east side, and there is no level surface for walking on the west side, just the steep bank that drops sharply into the Madison.  The only way to progress up the Madison from the Put In is in the river itself.



My son and I were prepared to wade in the water, based on the Poem, and some additional clues from Forrest.  We had leased waders from a local outfitter, with FELT soles, just like Forrest recommended.  We were so ahead of the game.  However…..the water looked daunting.  Fishermen were out in the water that day, but at this location on the river, the water had clearly gained momentum and volume since its push through the timber crib.  (heavy loads and water high)

Surveying downstream, there was a spot about 75-100 yards down the river that looked promising as a spot to get back on land, and hike farther in.  So we suited up, and were on the very verge of entering the rapid water (about 4 feet deep), when we were startled by the Power Station Manager.  He was very friendly, and just wanted us to move our truck to the designated parking area.  When we told him about our plans though, he became quite serious.  He said that the release at the crib was approximately 3200 cfs, a substantial flow rate, and it would be tricky to maneuver in, but the area he was most concerned about was right there at the Power Station where the water is released back into the river.  The surge from the release would be very difficult for us to wade through, and he was very concerned about us trying.

My son was already having doubts about my choice on the Madison being the correct location, but with the advice of the PS Manager, he was ready to call it off.  I was terribly conflicted, but decided not to tempt fate.

We got out of the waders, and drove back to our hotel in Bozeman.  I later thought about 2 of the 3 gentlemen who had lost their lives looking for the treasure; those 2 had drowned in probably similar or worse water conditions.

I do not know if they ventured into the water, or if it occurred by some accident, but regardless you have to respect the sheer power of the river torrents.



Three more items which had made me sure about my choice:

  • This location on the Madison was at 4800’; you would only have to climb another 200’ to get to the 5000’ mark.  However, the gradient gain was incredibly steep……for an 80 year old?
  • All of this area is under BLM control and authority; if the treasure was found here, no problems.  Officials at BLM have said, take it.
  • The Canyon is approximately 10 miles long; if you started at the north end, you would have to hike 7 miles before you got away from the trail.  That would be 28 miles in an afternoon…..for an 80 year old?

Happy hunting to all,



Deadwood Gulch…



I thought I would share the details of my 2nd search for Forrest Fenn’s treasure.  I did not find the treasure but maybe some of my logic can help someone else find it.  Below is my failed solve #2.  My search location was Deadwood Gulch just south of Silverton CO and I will get into the details about the location a bit further below.  Everything below is just my opinion even if I forget to state it sometimes.  Thanks for understanding.

First I looked at the ‘big picture’ because I felt that was missing from my first solve which initially led me to the wrong location for WWWH.  After giving it some thought, I felt the big picture might be related to Forrest facing his mortality, looking back at his life, and making a final statement to the world about his life…or at least a final statement to his father.  Forrest mentioned on multiple occasions that his father instructed him to ‘grab all of the bananas’, specifically while riding on a ‘train’.  I figured the ‘train’ was a metaphor for life and that the ‘bananas’ were a metaphor for seizing every opportunity that life presents.  Since Forrest mentioned this train/bananas metaphor multiple times I felt like he was saying that this was very important and sage advice from his father and that he tried to adhere to it during his life.  From Fenn’s writings, I do feel as though it is important to Forrest that he impress his father.  I then went on to conclude that the treasure chest and its contents represented some of the many ‘bananas’ that Forrest had grabbed during his life.  I felt like this train/banana metaphor from his father might have been what Forrest was referring to when he stated “What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve”.  I personally have not read on any of the blogs where searchers believe a train should be involved because of the banana metaphor (I have seen searchers that like train involvement for the halts but not for the banana metaphor).  Am I the first to analyze this important metaphor from his father and is this what Forrest was referring to with his quote above?  Who knows.

 Forrest’s original idea about the poem and the location was that he would go to the location, die with the chest, and leave the poem for people to come find him and the chest.  For my solution I looked for a location that would include a steam train, a canyon, a river with ‘put ins’ for rafts/kayaks, a potential home of Brown, and other aspects of metaphorical significance for someone dying.  Forrest did say “those who solve the first clue are more than half way there, metaphorically speaking”.  I took this as a hint that metaphors were important to the solution.  I think you can still keep it simple and interpret metaphors in the solve…metaphors are not like some of the crazy complex stuff I see some searchers writing about (anagrams, codes, ciphers, etc.).

Stanza #1
As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.

For the first stanza, I took this to mean Forrest went alone to hide the treasure and that he did not tell anyone…so it was his secret.  I interpreted “Hint of riches new and old” as a hint that the location had old riches and Silverton, CO fits this because of all of the mining that took place there (there are old mines strewn about everywhere).  For new riches, it could be a hint of the treasure itself, or possibly all of the great fun to be had in Silverton (rafting on the Animas river, riding the steam train between Silverton and Durango, hiking, fishing, ATVing, etc.)  I thought ‘Bold’ could be a hint to the treasure location, which is just a 200-foot hike up a cascading creek just north of US Highway 550 in Deadwood Gulch (we’ll discuss this further down).

Stanza #2
Begin it where warm waters halt – Clue #1
and take it in the canyon down, – Clue #2
Not far, but too far to walk.  Clue #3A
Put in below the home of Brown.  – Clue #3B

For WWWH (clue #1), I went to the ‘big picture’ mentioned above and the train metaphor.  I felt the big picture and the metaphor were the reasons this location was so important and special to Forrest…and NOT that the location was one that was special because Forrest visited it during his childhood…but instead special for the purpose Forrest was seeking for his final statement to the world (or his father).  Silverton has a steam train that still runs today between Silverton and Durango.  Train stops were sometimes referred to as ‘halts’ in the old days.  These were usually water stops where the locomotive would receive more water for steam powered fuel.  The warm waters are those heated waters stored in the locomotive.  I chose the Silverton station as my WWWH.

When the Silverton train departs, it heads south and down the canyon and follows the Animas river downstream (clue #2 – take it in the canyon down).

For the HOB (clue #3) there are several possibilities (Brown Mountain is 10 Miles due north which is TFTW and Brown’s Gulch is 5-6 miles NW of Silverton which is also TFTW).  There was a previous Silverton solution from another searcher that was using Cement Creek (which feeds the Animas river in Silverton) as the HOB because the locals call the water at the confluence ‘Brown Gravy’ (I doubted this one).  Regardless of which HOB you choose, there is only a single feasible marked ‘put in’ in this area and it is ‘below’ all of these (south and lower elevation).  Just south of Silverton (and north/upstream of Deadwood Gulch), there is a ‘put in’ on the Animas River that is used by the rafting companies and kayakers.  This is an ‘official’ put in with its own sign (see photo).  This ‘put in’ is south / downstream from the Silverton Rail Road station so this also has you moving down the river / canyon.

Below are some additional thoughts on this location and why it might be special for a reason important to Forrest.  I believe Forrest does not want his life or his name to be lost to history like the graves of the French soldiers he stumbled on in the high grass field near the waterfall he found in Vietnam.  I’m thinking he has a strong desire to be remembered long after his death (thus the books, memoirs, etc.).  He was also a very smart promoter and marketer in his life after the military.  Choosing a tourist location like Silverton would be brilliant in terms of ‘marketing’ for his immortality.  If his treasure was found in that tourist town it would be discussed on every train ride and every rafting trip…there would be businesses setup in town around the Forrest Fenn name, and they would probably create a Forrest Fenn museum in the town for the tourists to visit after they get off the train (they have a couple of hours to spend in Silverton before the return trip to Durango).  It would be brilliant!  And Forrest IS brilliant when it comes to promotions and marketing.  I understand that this thought will offend some searcher’s idealization of Forrest and also that Forrest himself might not agree and might be slightly offended by this…so this is just my opinion…but I personally would not put something like this past Forrest and would not blame him for such a brilliant plan!  I just cannot ignore the fact that this man was a self-admitted non-lover of art…yet we know he made a small fortune as a great art dealer.  Why?  Because he knew how to market and promote.  Would Forrest get the same level of immortality if he hid himself and the treasure way out in the middle of nowhere?  I do not think so.  With that said, I do think Forrest has already achieved some level of immortality with this amazing treasure hunt he created, for being a war hero, and with his other books so I do not intend to diminish that with the above opinions…I just think hiding his treasure in a tourist town would take his immortality to the next level…and I do think immortality is important to him and I might not even believe him even if he directly told me otherwise.

Many, many other train hints:
The train hints from Forrest are voluminous and at this point I do not think I could have a solve that does not involve a train.  Forrest has talked and written about trains several times and has made several comments that associate trains to death (I suggest going to the Tarry Scant website and search by ‘train’ to get the exact FULL quotes on the below bulleted items).
·       When talking about his dog Tesuque’s expression when hungry he described it as “Feed me now or there will be a train wreck with no survivors” – Death by train comment #1.
·       When answering one searchers questions Forrest gave a long response that included “Besides, I will probably get hit by a train” – Death by train comment #2.
·       In a separate video interview Forrest mentions “Yet, tomorrow I will probably get run over by a train, but I believe in karma and some of those things.” – Death by train comment #3.
·       In yet another separate interview Forrest states “I dare you to go get it.  If you find it, you can have it.  And nobody knows where it is but me. If a train runs over me this afternoon, it will go to my grave with me” – Death by train comment #4.
·       Forrest provides a very warm written response to a searcher named Diane that wrote to him about hobos and trains and referred to her as “kindred”
·       Forrest quotes his friend Eric that the far away sound of a bell “can be both forlorn and soul-stirring”.   Later in that same topic, he wrote that he acquired from Eric a cast iron bell possibly retrieved from an old steam locomotive that he keeps at his San Lazaro Pueblo.  Forrest has a thing for bells.  The old trains have bells.
·       Forrest mentions in his TTOTC book that as a child he could hear the steam train going out of Katy “The Katy Rail Road tracks were about half-mile from our house and late at night I could hear the steam engines puff and the engineers blow their air horns. It was a soothing sound and sometimes I think I can still hear when the wind is out of the east.” – The Silverton train tracks are east of the potential hiding spot in Deadwood Gulch.  If Forrest was going someplace to die, would he not want something soothing like the air horns from the train?  The Silverton train uses these steam whistles and he could definitely hear them from Deadwood Gulch.
·       The last sentence leading up to the poem in TTOTC says:  “So I wrote a poem containing nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure:” The Silverton Rail Road Station was at the end of the “Rainbow Route” which was a steam train dating back to 1888 that ran from Albany to Silverton, CO. (long since defunct)

Stanza #3
From there it’s no place for the meek,  – Clue #4A
The end is ever drawing nigh; clue #4B
There’ll be no paddle up your creek, Clue #5
Just heavy loads and water high.  Clue #6

For Clue #4 (From there it’s no place for the meek, The end is ever drawing nigh), I have multiple possible interpretations.

My first thought for clue #4 was that Forrest might be referencing the Animas River which is on your left (nigh) while moving south/downstream from the Silverton Station to the ‘put in’ location.  This is the river that runs along the Silverton train tracks.  It is also known as “The River of Lost Souls”.  ‘Lost souls’ are considered to be ‘damned’ souls…since the ‘meek will inherit the Earth’ the meek are not ‘damned’ souls and therefore this would be no place for the meek.  This information about being ‘damned’ or a ‘lost soul’ would be pertinent for any person who is dying (end is drawing nigh/near) and Forrest thought he was going to do this whole poem and treasure hunt to go to the place he was going to die.  Hint – Forrest calls the chest his ‘indulgence’.  If you look up indulgence you find a pertinent definition of “a grant by the Pope of remission of the temporal punishment in purgatory still due for sins after absolution. The unrestricted sale of indulgences by pardoners was a widespread abuse during the later Middle Age” (could Forrest be offering back some of his ‘bananas’ (i.e. treasure) as an indulgence to be pardoned for his sins?).  Forrest’s scrapbook #26 shows an old ‘anima sola’ which depicts a lost soul in purgatory.  Forrest pretended to not know what it was…yeah right.  Could he have been hinting at the Animas river?  I thought yes.  Anima is defined as “soul”.  Forrest has stated he is not really religious and that he is more spiritual…but I think most people have religious type thoughts when facing death and maybe the fact that Forrest was not religious during his life gave him some concerns that he might end up in some sort of purgatory if he turned out to be wrong about religion?

My second thought on this clue #4 ties back to the bananas/train metaphor.  The meek would not be the ones ‘grabbing all of the bananas’ in life’s short (end ever drawing nigh) ‘train’ ride.  Thus, unlike Forrest (and the searcher trying to find his bananas), this would be no place for the meek.  I felt this is less likely to be correct than my first thought on this above but I would not put it past Forrest to have multiple meanings to the clues and I believe the message of the bananas/train metaphor from his father is that “life is short and do not be meek…seize all of the opportunities”.  So, I do somewhat like this second interpretation…just not as much as the first one above.

My third thought on this clue #4 is that this was the land of the Ute Native American tribe.  There was an “Indian Agent” named Nathan Meeker who was slaughtered (along with 10 others) by the Utes in the White River settlement on the western side of the Continental Divide.  The Utes near Silverton were led by the peaceful Chief Ouray and there was no Nathan Meeker around trying to force the Utes into an agricultural lifestyle.  Even still, the end was drawing nigh for the Utes as they were driven from the land near Silverton despite Chief Ouray’s peaceful and diplomatic approach.  I felt this interpretation was less likely than the first or second interpretations above.

For clue #5 (there will be no paddle up your creek), I note the semi colon after clue 4.  Semi colon’s can be used for a change in direction, and I thought that Forrest might be referring to a change in direction because as you continue south/downstream from the Silverton Station and then past the ‘put in’ along the Animas River, after approx. ¾ mile (from the put in) you will come to a creek called ‘Deadwood Gulch’ that feeds into the Animas river.  This Deadwood Gulch creek runs perpendicular (change of direction) to the Animas and it has a pretty steep climb up the mountain from its mouth at the Animas.  I believe Forrest indicates in the poem that it is ‘your’ creek because ‘his’ river is the Animas (river of lost souls) but the creek you want (your creek – the one with the treasure) is Deadwood Gulch.  Hint – ‘Deadwood’ is a term used in the card game Canasta!  If you do not have the first clue you might as well stay home and play Canasta!  You need to head ‘up’ this Deadwood Gulch creek (in elevation – not North).  There is no way you would ever put any sort of kayak or raft into this steep creek and thus there is no need for a paddle.

Clue #6 (just heavy loads and water high).  The creek in Deadwood Gulch flows down from high on the mountain (water high) and features a very nice waterfall (also water high) just below highway 550 (yes, THAT highway 550 – the one also known as the ‘Million Dollar Highway’ between Silverton and Ouray).  Between highway 550 and the mouth at the Animas, the creek also contains lots of old timbers, wood, and cast iron parts from an old mining operation that, I believe, ran some sort of rail cars / trolley down alongside the gulch to carry loads down from the mines further up the mountainside (heavy loads).  When I inspected this part of the creek I did see some sort of iron wheel and some old pieces of metal that looked like they might have been used as tracks.  You have to be careful walking around this area due to all of the mining debris that included wood pieces with old rusted nails sticking out of them.  I walked around this part of the gulch below highway 550 looking for a blaze (besides the obvious waterfall).  I did not find a blaze on that section of the Deadwood Gulch below highway 550 and ultimately decided that I did not like that part of the creek for Forrest’s hiding spot because it did not have a blaze (other than the waterfall), and I could not identify any location down there that would have a spot 200 feet away where some searchers would have been that also coincided with a separate 500-foot spot where lots of people would have been.  In addition, I also did not like the fact that all of that mining debris cluttered the area…if Forrest hid the treasure in this area I could see it being accidentally discovered at some point in the future if they ever decide to clean up all of that mining debris.  If you are down in that lower part of Deadwood’s Gulch searching, I think you need to be wise and think about the part of the Gulch above highway 550 (see explanation below for clue #7).

Other misc.  hints pointing to Deadwood Gulch near Silverton:
·       In OUAW, Doug Preston writes that Forrest originally intended to leave the final clue by leaving his car in the parking lot of the Denver Museum of Nature and Science.  This museum is located just outside of the ‘Golden Triangle’ of museums in Denver.  The San Juan Triangle is created by connecting the towns of Silverton, Telluride, and Ouray.  Deadwood Gulch is just outside of the San Juan Triangle since it lies just south of Silverton.
·       In TTOTC, there is an illustration of “My Spanish Toy Factory” which shows three children looking down at a triangle formation (marbles) and two of the children is pointing down at the triangle (or maybe just outside the triangle).  Deadwood Gulch is in the San Juan Mountains (San Juan is obviously a Spanish name and could be linked to “My Spanish Toy Factory” for that reason…and isn’t this whole treasure hunt like a big toy for Forrest?)

Stanza #4
If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, Clue #7A
Look quickly down, your quest to cease, Clue #7B
But tarry scant with marvel gaze, Clue #7C
Just take the chest and go in peace. Clue #7D

I am counting the whole 4th stanza as clue #7.  After searching the area of Deadwood Gulch below highway 550 I think you need to be ‘wise’ that it is not the hiding spot and also ‘wise’ to the fact that the Gulch extends above highway 550 and that area above highway 550 should be considered for a search.  You also need to be ‘wise’ to get in your car and drive up to the top part of the Gulch above Highway 550 because hiking it is impossible unless you are some sort of mountain climber (it is a little over a 2-mile drive from Silverton to where the Gulch meets highway 550).  Thankfully, as you drive up on highway 550 at Deadwood Gulch you come to a ‘turnout’ in the road that is gravel and a place to park your car (see photo).

As you look up the Deadwood Gulch from the mountainside turnout you are treated to a beautiful cascading creek that runs relatively flat and shallow between the steep stone gulch walls up to a small and beautiful waterfall.  The stone gulch walls are covered with all sorts of ‘desert varnish’ in various colors but much of it is a tarry black color.  There is no mining debris in the Gulch above highway 550.  As you look at the small waterfall (which happens to be right at 10,200 feet of elevation and 200 feet from the gravel parking area) you see something that stands out…a blaze.  I had seen this blaze before in a picture of this Deadwood Gulch cascade on Pinterest…and I went there looking for this blaze.  Directly to the right of the waterfall (as you face it) you see this large square shaped red rock facing you with three fat dark black streaks of desert varnish.  The black desert varnish streaks on the otherwise red stone really stands out and is quite beautiful (see blaze photos).

Fire is a blaze and red in color…why not a red blaze?  Tarry scant could refer to the red aspects of the stone that were not covered by the tarry colored black lichen.

Go in peace’ (i.e. Rest in Peace) could be a reference to Forrest dying and resting in peace now that he has paid his indulgence to the searcher.  When I viewed the potential blaze from near the road it appears small and a bit hard to see and almost looks like it could be some sort of native American rock art…but up close you can see that it is quite large and is just lichen created desert varnish with an unusually bright contrast between the black and the red. The only way to get up to the blaze from the parking area is to go into the cascades and walk 200 feet up the creek…there are no side trails and the sides are steep and treacherous and thick with pine trees.  It could be the earlier searchers within 200 feet simply provided Forrest with some nice pictures of their time in Silverton and that the Gulch was not a part of their solutions.  Or, it could be that the searchers were there at a time when the Gulch was full of snow.  This year, the snow was melted by 12May, but normally this time of year that gulch would be full of deep snow making it inaccessible for a search until June.   I had been to this location earlier this year with my snow shoes and snow shovel and learned just how deep that snow was in April.  When I saw the heat wave from 5May to 12 May I guessed that it might be melted and I was right….it was running strong from the snow pack melt but I was able to easily walk up it with some hiking poles and rubber boots (and waterproof gortex pants) …. Fenn being a fly fisherman would not even blink at walking/wading up this cascade.  To get to the potential hiding spot you have to walk through the ‘pinch point’ where the walls of the Gulch are closest together.
Beyond the ‘pinch point’ it slightly opens up on the other side of the pinch point and has an area that has ground with bushes and accessible cavities at the base of the stone gulch for potential hiding spots (see photo).  One of these cavities was about 10-15 feet downstream from the blaze – quickly down.  This was at the base of the gulch and was an absolutely perfect hiding spot for the chest.  The cavity was outside of the creek, so not underwater but still wet…it was about 2-3 feet deep into the side of the Gulch, about 10 inches high top to bottom, and about 3 feet across / wide….and the cavity is in a spot that is hidden behind the pinch point of the gulch so anyone on the road would not be able to see what that crazy old man was doing up there in the Gulch when he was hiding it (see photo – it is the triangular shaped hole towards the right center of the photo with a small log in the water pointing towards it).

I got out my flashlight and shone it into the cavity…I was sure I was going to see some rocks covering the indulgence when I looked inside the cavity.  My heart was broken when all I saw was a bottle, a plastic cup, and underwear!  Yes, there was men’s underwear in the cavity…they looked relatively new and when I looked up the brand name I saw they were sold at Walmart.  I knew I really was up shit’s creek at this point when I found the underwear and I was able to have a small laugh despite my disappointment.  I assume this bottle, underwear, and cup had washed down from the top of the mountain.  There is no reason for people to go into that part of the Gulch beyond the pinch point because there is no fishing to be done in that creek and there are no hiking trails anywhere in the area.  It would be really hard to get beyond that small waterfall and it gets really steep beyond that waterfall so I do not see people hiking up that Gulch just for the fun of it.  It would not really appeal to mountain climbers either because they would get soaked and it would be an insanely cold hike.  There were some other cavities in the base of the gulch that were also empty…but none were as perfect as the one cavity described above…I REALLY thought I was going to find the treasure in that one and my heart was pounding when I saw it.

Other hints related to clue #7
·       Why did Forrest make the upper elevation limit an odd number like 10,200 feet instead of 10,000 feet?  It is not the tree line…the tree line is between 11,500 and 12,000 feet.  The lower limit is a nice even 5,000 feet so I have always wondered if it might be right at 10,200 feet and this solution gave me that 10,200-foot number, which I liked.
·       Within 500 feet of the blaze is a second parking ‘turnout’ on the opposite cliff side of highway 550 that would be more popular because that one would provide the view of the larger Deadwood Gulch creek waterfall that exists below highway 550.  These two turnouts would explain why lots of people have been within 500 feet and why Forrest might have known some searchers were within 200 feet if they took a photo of the cascades / small waterfall above highway 550.
·       People bike on highway 550 all the time and I saw several people on bikes…Forrest hinted that he might just ride his bike there and throw his bike in the ‘water high’ which he could do…just toss his bike into the Gulch below highway 550 and then hike up the cascading creek above highway 550.  At his age now, I think he would need to start somewhere high on the mountain and coast down on his bike and not try to start at a lower elevation and pedal up the mountain.
·       The creek and pinch point could explain why Forrest is confident no one would ‘stumble’ upon the treasure.  It is a great ‘gatekeeper’ for the treasure.  As noted above, there is no reason to go into that part of the Gulch above the pinch point unless you are searching for Fenn’s treasure.
·       Once you are up the cascade beyond the pinch point if you look back you see a wonderful view.  You are looking North and, in the distance, you have a great view of Brown Mountain (see snow covered mountain in photo below).  You also see Silverton and if you stayed there long enough you would eventually hear the train blowing its whistle and ringing its bell from the East.  It is a neat spot.

·       I found a picture of the blaze on the internet after I had my solution for Deadwood Gulch by searching for Deadwood Gulch Silverton Colorado.  Fenn was once asked if the blaze could be pre-determined from the poem before being physically at the search location and he called the searcher a rascal for asking that question and decided after a long deliberation that he would not answer that question.  To me, that leaves open the possibility for finding the blaze prior to being BOTG.  You can find the exact quote if you wish…it is out there.
·       Fenn wrote about lichen in scrapbook 171:  “Because these strong colored rocks are a favorite of mine, once a friend told me that if I took one home, kept it in a sunny place, and sprayed it with beer once a week, it would continue to grown and keep its colors.  It didn’t work.”

Stanza #5
So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek? 
The answers I already know, 
I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak. 

I believe the 5th stanza is simply Forrest explaining that Forrest is ‘going’ (dying) and that he has his reasons for taking some of his ‘bananas’ to this spot for people to try to find using his brilliant poem.  He has grabbed as many bananas in life that he could and maybe this whole treasure hunt thing was his ‘last banana’.  When you think about it, this poem and this treasure hunt really has been a major ‘banana’ for Forrest.  He has sold many books, achieved fame, and cemented his legacy and immortality.  This was a banana that he could still grab late in life even though he was old, weak, and tired.  Right up to the end, Forrest is grabbing every banana in life and I am sure his father is very, very, proud of him.  I am sure his friends and other family members are proud as well.  He has also enriched many lives with adventure and outdoor fun…and that enrichment of others’ lives has been his ‘stated’ answer…but I think that was only one of the answers (plural).  The other ‘answers’ are more personal IMO and I may, or may not, have guessed them correctly above.

Stanza #6
So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold. – Clue #8
If you are brave and in the wood – Clue #9
I give you title to the gold. 

For clue #8 (effort worth the cold), I think my solve was solid.  You have to walk/wade into a very cold creek.  Enough said.

For clue #9 (brave and in the wood), I think that the average person searching for the treasure might look at the Deadwood Gulch cascade with some trepidation…while it is shallow, it flows quite fast and it has a rock bottom.  Average people might think the cascade could knock them off their feet or that the rocks would be slippery…there is some bravery involved walking up that creek towards that waterfall and through the ‘passage’ at the pinch point (hint – Forrest recently said to have ‘safe passage’ and that pinch point in the gulch definitely qualifies as a passage).  The wood clue is obvious….it is DeadWOOD Gulch, and the cavities I found were literally inside the walls of the Gulch thus ‘In the wood’.

I think the rest of stanza 6 was for legal purposes…he wanted to make it clear that whoever finds the treasure gets to keep the treasure.

If you have gotten to the end of this, thanks for reading.  My hope is that maybe some aspects of this solution are correct and maybe can help someone with their solve.  Best of luck to all searchers and stay safe out there.

-Dave from KC


Odds n Ends About Fenn’s Treasure Hunt…Part Fifty Three


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A “Personality Galore” Hat Contest…

Forrest Modeling Mildew

Personality Galore Hat Contest

More than three years ago Forrest bragged about Mildew..his hat of dubious distinction. He declared that this hat was the most “interesting” on the blog.

Shallow claim. I say.

Help me prove the point by submitting a photo of your “interesting hat” to me at:
dal at lummifilm dot com

I will post the photos as I receive them until the contest closes to entries.

Forrest Modeling his Buffalo Hat

Someone, yet unnamed, will help me judge the hats and together we will choose the hat with “Personality Galore” to be the winner of this contest. I don’t expect this to be an easy judging task.

To begin, take a look at Scrapbook 126 to see what passes for “personality galore” in Forrest’s mind…HERE

Next read the rules of this contest below:

1. A contestant may submit only one entry in this contest. 

2. A contestant must be a person of good standing on this blog.

3. An entry is one photo of the hat attached in an email. The email must also include the blog name of the contestant.

4. It is the hat that will be judged not the photography nor the “personality” of the character modeling the hat. That being said, the cumulative effect of a photo that shows an “interesting” hat along with an “interesting” hat model and interesting background, should not be ignored.

5. Entries must be sent before the contest closing time and date.

6. The contest closing time/date is 9pm (Santa Fe time) May 31st, 2018

7. I repeat, one entry per person.

8. The “hat” must exist in the real world. It cannot be a digital creation of a hat.

9. The photo of the hat must be an actual photo and not a hat photoshopped onto a background…ie no digital manipulation of the photo is allowed. We want to judge a hat and not someone’s photoshop ability.

10. The winner will be announced by the surviving judge as quickly as possible after the contest closes.

The winner will receive a signed copy of “Too Far To Walk” by Forrest Fenn. A signed copy is a nice investment…

Finally…off we go…

Let’s have some fun!!!


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Fishin’ Part 1……



It’s been almost two years now and I still have no idea where Forrest Fenn hid his Treasure. I have decided that I will search no more, but I did want to share a few things that have intrigued me during my search, before I let go and return to reality (lol).  Often, when fishing, someone may ask you “Have you caught anything?” One answer that can be given to help assuage the feeling of being “skunked” is to say “No, but I have had a few nibbles” (or “bites”). 

So what I am sharing in the rest of this article are just “nibbles”, because the truth is I haven’t caught anything. I am not a very good writer, so I would ask that you bear with me as I share these little trinkets with you. I often visit the Blogs, so very early on in my search I began to see things in the writings of Forrest Fenn, especially in the “questions and answers” pieces that he has shared with us. Here are a few of the things I have seen that just might be “hints” from Forrest in regards to HOW we should be investigating his poem.  Hopefully one of these little discoveries might help another searcher along the way, and possibly lead them to the correct solution to this amazing treasure hunt.

Jesse, I am a fan of Georgia O’Keefe. But not her work, and my opinion was no mystery to her. She said I was a LOW BROW. I countered with a comment something like, “who says you have to be a SNOB to enjoy art?”—from “Featured Question with Forrest Fenn, Georgia O’Keefe,”(September 1, 2015), Mysterious Writings Blog.

When I first began the search at the end of July, 2016 I began to regularly visit the blogs. I began digging into some of the older articles on the Mysterious Writings blog (hosted by Jenny Kile), and the writings and Scrapbooks on blog hosted by Dal Neitzel.  When I read the above question/answer between a writer named Jesse and Forrest I immediately remembered something I had seen in the poem itself. Why was Forrest using the words “snob” and “lowbrow” in the discussion? Somehow I didn’t think the words themselves were hints, but possibly how they were arranged in the poem was a hint of importance.

When I recalled that the words were in the poem (see above) I wondered whether Forrest was hinting that part of the puzzle might be solved using acrostics, and not necessarily orthodox ones either. The word SNOB would be considered orthodox, as it is exactly (5) letters in from the right on all lines. But the word LOWBROW combined two types of acrostics: a diagonal one counting in 2-3-4-5 from the right, and then meeting with another acrostic, BROW, which is part of a word flowing from left to right. This acrostic was in an “L” shape which greatly intrigued me, as Forrest had mentioned “ells” in some of his stories. Was the “L” shape significant in some way? This put me on a path of looking for acrostics in the poem which I do believe is ONE aspect used to hide hints and clues in the poem. It did lead to seeing some interesting things. Unfortunately I can only consider these “nibbles” as the elusive fish (solution) remained aloof.

As I continued my search I found in the same sentences shown above another “L” shaped acrostic that also intrigued me due to what it ultimately spells. It involves aligning the 17th letter from the left on three lines meeting with three letters in a line flowing from left to right:

                                17th letter from left




What makes this intriguing is that the N-O-E letters are all exactly on the 17th letter from the left and then down. When combined with the C-A, from the sentence flowing left to right we have an “L” shaped “CANOE”. And it is interesting that the word “canoe” appears right where the poem says “take it in the canyon down”. Could “canoe” be something we take in the canyon down? What do you think? Is it purely coincidental, or is it a hint? It certainly left me wondering.

In another “Featured Question with Forrest”, called ‘Early Morning Ideas” (October23, 2014), someone named “Thrill” asks a question of Forrest to which he replies: “Especially burned into my memory Thrill, was the idea to arrange a cultural exchange program with the Russian Government. A few art scholars jazzed me pretty good and I was the butt of some funny jokes, because it was 1975 and the Cold War was in full blast.

Again, when I read this I immediately thought of the poem and something I had seen in it. Because not only had I looked for acrostics, I had experimented in other ways also, such as typing the poems sentences with no spaces between the words. One sentence in particular caused me to laugh, as crude as the humor was, because the words “butt” and “fart” were in the same sentence.


Again, as crude as this is it does appear to match the story’s words of “butt” and “full blast”. As I laughed under my breath I remembered another possible explanation which used another “L” shaped acrostic, this time appearing on exactly the 12th letter from the left combined with a word in a sentence flowing from left to right.  This time also the word read upwards and to the right.

                            12th letter from left




The S-H-O is exactly 12 letters from the left—again very intriguing.  But why “Shofar” you ask? Well, first, if you read the answer from Forrest above he says that the art scholars “jazzed” him. When I think of jazz I think of horns.  Incidentally, in the first stanza of the poem are two different acrostics which both spell HORN.  And here, with the word “shofar” is another HORN.

If you google the word Shofar you will see it defined as having a “blasting” sound. They use the word frequently when describing the shofar with long “blasts” or short “blasts”. In Forrest’s answer he states that the Cold War was in FULL BLAST, which is an interesting choice of words. Another interesting thing about the sentence itself is the fact that Forrest said that he was the “butt” of Art Scholars jokes.

NORFARBUTTOOF ARTOWALK      The sentence seems to confirm this.

Now, I realize some of you may be calling me “nuts” by now or deluded, and actually that’s fine with me. I realize that stating that “full blast” may refer to a shofar or a fart is a bit silly, but the placing of the words in the poem seems to be a bit more than coincidence in my opinion.  What do you think?  The shape of the acrostic as an “L” for both CANOE and SHOFAR on the exact letters that they fall on is quite interesting to say the least.  But then again, above in the sentences we can see the words FORT BROWN quite clearly too. I thought this might be a hint, but Forrest has since stated that HOB is not a man-made structure. Fort Washakie in Wyoming was called Fort Brown first. So it is obvious that coincidences can happen.

One other interesting acrostic found in the poem is the word GAIT (“Gone Alone In There”). This word has been hinted at many times by Forrest. Even in SB146, when he mentions the duck named ‘Tail End Charlie”, he states that it was born with a strange “gait”. Near the very end of the poem there is another acrostic, BAIT (Brave And In The wood). I had noticed these two acrostics right away as I read the poem, along with WAFT (Wise And Found The blaze) and the two examples of HORN in the first stanza also. However, I did also realize that these acrostics, being only (4) letters long per word, could easily have happened by chance also. But the more I read the more I felt that at least GAIT was a real hint.

One thing that confirmed this a bit for me was another exchange in a question/answer between Forrest and Carolyn. This is found in another “Featured Question with Forrest” titled “Inside Indulgence” dated 12-14-14.  Carolyn asks: “Are there any bronze animals in the chest, indulgence, or anything bronze?” To which Forrest answers: “Nothing bronze at all Carolyn, or even silver. I wanted more expensive metals in Indulgence. That’s why I chose gold. There is a gold frog that’s very old”.

I found the question and the answer both to be very odd. Forrest is asks whether there are any bronze animals in the chest?  Why bronze animals? Why? It just appeared to be a strange question.  And then Forrest answers with a couple of strange replies also.  He states there is nothing bronze in the chest, or silver also. But we all know that Forrest wants the SILVER BRACELET back if anyone finds the chest. So why does he say there is nothing silver in it?  Then he ends his answer with: “There is a gold frog that’s very old”. What I noticed is that the question and answer both begin and end with same acrostics that are in the poem—except they are reversed:

Are there any Bronze Animals In The chest  (BAIT)

There Is A Gold frog…” (TIAG = GAIT)

Again, this may be entirely coincidental. But the number of hints I have seen mentioned regarding the word “gait” leads me to believe otherwise. Because the poem begins and ends with these acrostics, is Forrest purposefully beginning and ending the question/answer with these two acrostics to hint to us that they are important?  I really have no idea. I am just fishing, and getting “nibbles”. I haven’t really caught any fish. By that I am basically saying that I see these things, but don’t really know how to apply them in order to get the big fish.

I might add though: In a recent post on Dal’s blog a gentleman mentioned a game he put together for his wife. He hid envelopes around the house for her to find. He actually went into quite some detail—and even added a bit more after Forrest responded to him

However, Forrest gave only this short reply: “That Is A Good story.f’  (TIAG = GAIT). He added nothing more.

Of course there are many coincidental things that we can find in the poem. Here are a couple of examples. In the past someone shared how they believed the sub-conscious mind might have something to do with the poem. They mentioned ID and EGO. Naturally I had to check it out, and here is what I found almost immediately (lol):

As I havegone alone in there

AnD with my treasures bold

And another person mentioned an esoteric meaning being part of the solution. They mentioned TAROT cards—especially the WANDS cards.  Surprisingly, if you arrange the poem in an up and down manner the following appears  and there are many other coincidental things that appear just like this. Or are they coincidental?





It’s kind of strange how WAND appears all on 4 letters in from the left. Just coincidence I guess.




Odds n Ends About Fenn’s Treasure Hunt…Part Fifty Two


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